[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[blender]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I find it fascinating that half of the population of the US sees the world entirely differently than the other half. You find that boring?

I find it fascinating that you think that how people vote is indicative of how they see the world, particularly in the context of the US political regime.
If that is your basis of understanding the United States I don't think you are up to speed for this thread.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I think wp polling of republican voters showed that only a few small percentage believed Trump was racist.

Also... Millions of non whites voted for Trump. Are they racist?

Pumpkins are orange. Donald Trump is orange. Does that make Donald Trump a pumpkin?

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by getbak

https://twitter.com/user/status/1326334710700789760

Even if the late-arriving votes get thrown out in PA, it won't make a difference.

I thought those were segregated and not counted. Have they been counted now?

[Manhattanboy]

is it just me or is the concept of "mail in balloting" new to this US election cycle?

In past elections limited numbers of absentee ballots were allowed for overseas armed forces personnel and ex-pats. The numbers were small.

In this election huge numbers of voters did not vote in person and I am starting to think there may be something to the risk of serious fraud.

Maybe future elections should be limited to in-person voting with limited exceptions. Like..... in Canada?

EDIT: I get that this was done because of Covid. Should these votes not have been counted in advance?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

It's just you. Prior to this election the rules varied state to state, but many states allowed mail-in / absentee voting without having to provide any reason for it.

There is no risk of serious fraud. You're completely out to lunch. The process for verifying mail-in ballots is more stringent than for verifying the identity of in-person voting. Executing large scall (or even small scale) fraud using the mail-in ballot system is functionally impossible.

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I thought those were segregated and not counted. Have they been counted now?

They are part of court challenge. I assume the court wanted to know how many exist.

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[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by blender

I find it fascinating that you think that how people vote is indicative of how they see the world, particularly in the context of the US political regime.
If that is your basis of understanding the United States I don't think you are up to speed for this thread.

This is an interesting point. What percentage of the Democrat voters think that Trump is a racist, then, would you say?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I thought those were segregated and not counted. Have they been counted now?

It sounds like they haven't yet been counted, but they have been collected: https://www.yc.news/2020/11/10/penns...unt-continues/

Either way, their number is so small and Biden's lead is so wide that they won't be a factor in determining the winner of the State, which was the original concern.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

is it just me or is the concept of "mail in balloting" new to this US election cycle?

In past elections limited numbers of absentee ballots were allowed for overseas armed forces personnel and ex-pats. The numbers were small.

In this election huge numbers of voters did not vote in person and I am starting to think there may be something to the risk of serious fraud.

Maybe future elections should be limited to in-person voting with limited exceptions. Like..... in Canada?

EDIT: I get that this was done because of Covid. Should these votes not have been counted in advance?

Pennsylvania and one of Wisconsin/Michigan tried to change the rules on counting, they wanted to do it like Florida, and count them earlier. They were denied by republicans.


It's almost as if they wanted to be able to cause confusion etc.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

This is an interesting point. What percentage of the Democrat voters think that Trump is a racist, then, would you say?

Somewhere between 0 and 100%.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

is it just me or is the concept of "mail in balloting" new to this US election cycle?

It was greatly expanded in some states. In others, not so much.

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Should these votes not have been counted in advance?

Yes, they should have. But certain Republicans wanted to produce an early lead for Trump an open up the door to throwing out the "late" ballots, and states control their election processes. The election was a a s***show by design.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by getbak

It sounds like they haven't yet been counted, but they have been collected: https://www.yc.news/2020/11/10/penns...unt-continues/

Either way, their number is so small and Biden's lead is so wide that they won't be a factor in determining the winner of the State, which was the original concern.

Yeah, and if they are not already in the count, it's an even lesser concern, since they'd almost assuredly add to Biden's lead.

[afc wimbledon]

I have said it before and I will say it again, almost no one admits they are racist willingly, even cross burning scum have an excuse 'I'm not a racist, I'm just protecting the white race from the asiatic hoardes' and no one willingly admits to voting for a racist, you may think Trump is a member of the KKK and burns crosses on the weekend but if asked people will deny thinking he is a racists no matter what they think as saying 'yes I voted for a scumbag' is shameful

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

This is an interesting point. What percentage of the Democrat voters think that Trump is a racist, then, would you say?

BoLevi,

Yes or No question:

Do you believe Donald Trump is racist?

[photon]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

is it just me or is the concept of "mail in balloting" new to this US election cycle?

Some states have done it exclusively for years or even decades.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

is it just me or is the concept of "mail in balloting" new to this US election cycle?

In past elections limited numbers of absentee ballots were allowed for overseas armed forces personnel and ex-pats. The numbers were small.

In this election huge numbers of voters did not vote in person and I am starting to think there may be something to the risk of serious fraud.

Maybe future elections should be limited to in-person voting with limited exceptions. Like..... in Canada?

EDIT: I get that this was done because of Covid. Should these votes not have been counted in advance?

Your whole post presumes there is a higher risk of fraud for mail in ballots. Any research being done into this proves that is not the case, and that it is actually more secure.

You're just really falling for the illusory truth effect that Trump is propagating.

[868904]

All the talk about the votes seems mute at this point. Trump and the Republicans look like they are going to attempt a coup. It really doesn’t matter what the election results are.

We are witnessing the death of democracy in the US.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

is it just me or is the concept of "mail in balloting" new to this US election cycle?

In past elections limited numbers of absentee ballots were allowed for overseas armed forces personnel and ex-pats. The numbers were small.

In this election huge numbers of voters did not vote in person and I am starting to think there may be something to the risk of serious fraud.

Maybe future elections should be limited to in-person voting with limited exceptions. Like..... in Canada?

EDIT: I get that this was done because of Covid. Should these votes not have been counted in advance?

Of course they should have been counted in advance, but the Republicans in those States changed the laws (or didn't allow the laws to be changed, as the case may be) so that any mail-in or votes that were cast early could not be counted before Election Day.

They did that because they wanted exactly what has happened over the last week to happen. Trump would take a lead in the swing states in votes cast on Election Day, then as the early votes were counted, Biden would take over the lead.

If the early votes had been counted as they arrived, their counts would have been announced first and Biden would have had a huge early lead and everyone would have known it was a runaway win for him a week ago.


There are security measures in place to ensure mailed ballots are secure and untampered and were received from the legal, registered voter. Oregon has voted exclusively by mail for over 20 years and I believe they haven't seen any significant increase in election fraud, while also seeing a significant increase in voter turnout.

[flylock shox]

Trump really is going to push every lever to retain power isn't he?

I was thinking today about the concept of faithless electors, and particularly the possibility of some breaking their pledges. Then I thought that "faithless" is such an apt descriptor for Republicans generally, and that despite Biden's massive electoral advantage, these are rare times in which I could see a large number of electors breaking their pledges.

Then I watched that Van Jones video and thought that Stephen Miller and his ilk probably watched it too, and that this is probably the Republican playbook going forward.

The potential remains that this all goes haywire over the next few months. If it was just Trump it would be bad enough, but there are enough snakes and weasels in the Republican party to ensure any underhanded tactic gets pushed forward.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

BoLevi,

Yes or No question:

Do you believe Donald Trump is racist?

And a follow up to that: is “Over the Hills and Far Away” the best Zeppelin song?