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DeluxeMoustache · 11-09-2020, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I love how he said, "I can't in good continence."

Haha. I heard ‘countenance’ which is also an odd choice of word. Presumably he meant conscience (?)

But funny as McEnany clearly has issues with continence verbally

Puppet Guy · 11-09-2020, 04:26 PM

Just so you all know, the Trump anti-fraud "War Room" hotline is still connected. I just left 30 seconds of hysterical laughter. My ribs hurt.

1-888-630-1776.

dino7c · 11-09-2020, 04:28 PM

There is video out there of McEnany ripping Trump during the primaries...although same goes for basically the entire GOP

RedHot25 · 11-09-2020, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

Very different interpretation of what was said there. Yes, he cut her off, but he followed it up with, "I want to make sure they do have something to back that up, but that's an explosive charge to make, that the other side is effectively rigging and cheating. If she does bring proof of that, of course we'll take you back. So far she has started saying right at the outset, welcoming fraud, welcoming illegal voting. Not so fast. More after this."

This was not a rebuke. This could be construed as issue framing and repetition of dog whistle language to get the audience fired up. He dropped rigging, cheating, fraud and illegal voting without stating that none of those claims were untrue, inaccurate, or lies. This is a soft propaganda technique to activate emotions and responses associated with those dog whistle terms used. No different than when a certain poster just starts asking questions. It is very transparent and not kosher. So be prepared for the opposite response you think this is going to draw, because Fox viewers are not buying anything except rigging, cheating, fraud and illegal voting is happening until it is ultimately rebuked from a trusted information source. Fox did not rebuke anything.

I think you are taking this a bit far.

A) this is Fox news. The fact that they even cut them off is big news. Big.

B) They are relatively new to dooing this, so adding in a "of course if he brings real and actual proof we will revisit" seems reasonable to me.

I saw it with almost all media on twitter during their horrid landscaping press conference. People showed up, they started saying junk, the media said "woah, this is junk...we are leaving...if they say anything with actual evidence...".

CorsiHockeyLeague · 11-09-2020, 04:41 PM

The Fox News line for days has been, "Trump is entitled to pursue whatever legal challenges he likes, and if he has evidence to support his charges we will report on it extensively, but so far we don't see it." I'm paraphrasing but that's almost a direct quote from Bret Baier on the weekend.

The difference between Fox and CNN / MSNBC is that the latter two have simply dismissed the lawsuits out of hand as absurd and covering Biden, while Fox is taking them seriously and saying "here's what evidence you'd have to show, here's what you'd have to do to win" and providing less coverage of Biden. It's what they treat as important and worthy of hours of discussion that demonstrates what audience they're catering to. The line they don't seem willing to cross (other than the opinion hosts who will say anything) is to suggest that there is good reason to believe that any significant fraud took place. But they always say that if the proof comes, they'll say so.

Lanny_McDonald · 11-09-2020, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RedHot25

I think you are taking this a bit far.

A) this is Fox news. The fact that they even cut them off is big news. Big.

B) They are relatively new to dooing this, so adding in a "of course if he brings real and actual proof we will revisit" seems reasonable to me.

I saw it with almost all media on twitter during their horrid landscaping press conference. People showed up, they started saying junk, the media said "woah, this is junk...we are leaving...if they say anything with actual evidence...".

Am I? Or are you just not being as critical as you should because it was Fox? What was missing from that supposed rebuke? The rebuke? But was certainly said was "rigging, cheating, fraud and illegal voting." Again, this is a soft propaganda technique used to frame and issue and prime a listening audience. You interpret it one way, because that is your frame. The Fox audience is going to pick up on the terms they have been conditioned to hear. Again, what as missing from that? The language that clearly stated that "rigging, cheating, fraud and illegal voting" was NOT happening, but clearly language that suggests it could be. More after this.

RedHot25 · 11-09-2020, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The Fox News line for days has been, "Trump is entitled to pursue whatever legal challenges he likes, and if he has evidence to support his charges we will report on it extensively, but so far we don't see it." I'm paraphrasing but that's almost a direct quote from Bret Baier on the weekend.

The difference between Fox and CNN / MSNBC is that the latter two have simply dismissed the lawsuits out of hand as absurd and covering Biden, while Fox is taking them seriously and saying "here's what evidence you'd have to show, here's what you'd have to do to win" and providing less coverage of Biden. It's what they treat as important and worthy of hours of discussion that demonstrates what audience they're catering to. The line they don't seem willing to cross (other than the opinion hosts who will say anything) is to suggest that there is good reason to believe that any significant fraud took place. But they always say that if the proof comes, they'll say so.

Yup, sure.

They've gone from batsh*t lying to saying "hey! he's not telling the truth, but of course if he has real evidence to tell the truth, like such and such, we may come back to him" is a big step for Fox News.

Be careful not to lose sight of the forest for the trees is all I think. I agree Fox is garbage. But think of a Fox viewer who suddenly has their station say "woah, we're leaving this press conference, will only come back if they have some real evidence", and they cut away from the press conference and don't come back? That's big for that viewer.

afc wimbledon · 11-09-2020, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...gn-debt-report

The fine print at the bottom of the fat gits desperate begging emails I get 20 or more times a day

Trump Make America Great Again Committee (“TMAGAC”) is a joint fundraising committee composed of Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. (“DJTP”) and the Republican National Committee (“RNC”).

Contributions to TMAGAC or any member committee are not deductible for federal income tax purposes. Contributions to TMAGAC are subject to federal contribution limits and source prohibitions. Federal law requires us to collect and report the name, mailing address, occupation, and employer of each contributor whose contributions aggregate in excess of $200 in a calendar year (RNC) or election cycle (DJTP).

Contributions to TMAGAC made by an Individual/Federal Multicandidate Political Committee will be allocated according to the following formula:

60% to DJTP for deposit in DJTP’s 2020 General Election Account for the retirement of general election debt (up to a maximum of $2,800/$5,000) or, if such debt has been retired or any portion of the contribution would exceed the limit to the 2020 General Election Account, for deposit in DJTP’s Recount Account (up to a maximum of $2,800/$5,000); 40% to the RNC’s Operating account (up to a maximum of $35,500/$15,000); and any additional funds to the RNC for deposit in the RNC’s Legal Proceedings account or Headquarters account (up to a maximum of $213,000/$90,000).

Notwithstanding this allocation formula, a contributor may designate a contribution for a specific participant or participants. In addition, the allocation formula may change if any contribution would exceed applicable contribution limits or if DJTP receives sufficient funds to pay outstanding general election debts.

Donations to DJTFP’s Recount Account will be used in connection with any post-election recounts and election contests and not for the purpose of influencing any federal election.

Any monthly recurring contributions received after November 3, 2020, shall be subject to TMAGAC’s prevailing allocation formula at the time of receipt.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 11-09-2020, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RedHot25

Be careful not to lose sight of the forest for the trees is all I think. I agree Fox is garbage. But think of a Fox viewer who suddenly has their station say "woah, we're leaving this press conference, will only come back if they have some real evidence", and they cut away from the press conference and don't come back? That's big for that viewer.

I just don't know that it's that much of a difference. I don't watch Fox - hell I don't watch cable news other than the past week. But my understanding is always been that the news division is a bit biased but not completely out to lunch, while the opinion hosts live way out in Crazytown. So that viewer will hear Cavuto say, "there's no evidence of that that we have seen", and then keep watching until Laura Ingraham comes on and informs that same viewer that she has video that hasn't been released yet of democratic operatives in the vote tally room filling out ballots for Joe Biden. And that will be going on for at least 3 hours tonight, and every night.

So yeah, Cavuto was fine there, no complaints about what he did. But I'm not sure it's as impactful a statement as you're suggesting.

dino7c · 11-09-2020, 05:07 PM

Thing about Fox News is they have a different lineup during different parts of the day...their prime time lineup are bat#### crazy Trumpers still

dino7c · 11-09-2020, 05:08 PM

I don't know what the problem is...Biden won 6-3 on the only poll that matters anyway

nik- · 11-09-2020, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I don't know what the problem is...Biden won 6-3 on the only poll that matters anyway

Post to votes ratio an untouchable record.

calumniate · 11-09-2020, 05:13 PM

Seems like fox has at least drawn a line in the sand in terms of letting trump come on and spew, so that's good!

Oling_Roachinen · 11-09-2020, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

This was not a rebuke. This could be construed as issue framing and repetition of dog whistle language to get the audience fired up. He dropped rigging, cheating, fraud and illegal voting without stating that none of those claims were untrue, inaccurate, or lies. This is a soft propaganda technique to activate emotions and responses associated with those dog whistle terms used. No different than when a certain poster just starts asking questions. It is very transparent and not kosher. So be prepared for the opposite response you think this is going to draw, because Fox viewers are not buying anything except rigging, cheating, fraud and illegal voting is happening until it is ultimately rebuked from a trusted information source. Fox did not rebuke anything.

Strongly strongly disagree. They cut her off live, mid-sentence, to say there wasn't evidence to back up her claims. He hedged his bets, certainly, but this is about as strong condemnation from Fox we've seen against the Trump administration. And of course they knew the headline would be "Fox cuts off McEnany for spreading election lies".

I obviously have my bias where I have been saying that Murdoch has made a clear mandate to start tearing Trump down, but I think this is just more proof of that. Yes, if Trump wins the lawsuits miraculously, they want to be able to have some plausible deniability as they go back sucking on his hairy, orange teet, but again I see this as more evidence of cutting bait.

I would say it's the equivalent of a board member who keeps posting ridiculous unsubstantiated trade rumours and being banned from making any new threads until they provide the mods evidence of these claims. Mods aren't saying the guy isn't getting information from Treliving at Orange Julius, but they need something more to make the claims.