I'm not sure there were many people, if any, in this thread who thought Joe Biden was some homerun candidate. I think for most of us we just thought he was the most likely to win. And based off the current map I'd say that was a very accurate assessment. I remain highly skeptical any other candidate, save maybe Michelle Obama, could have done better.
Not a chance. Way too many racists and sexists down there.
Well it's more that the Republicans will actually speak to the problems facing the working class, whereas the Democrats don't really. It's pretty telling when Donald freaking Trump is talking more about the opioid crisis in these towns than most of the high-profile Democrats.
Being heard and lied to is still better for a lot of people than not being heard at all.
Whatever Trump has said in passing (because he doesn't actually care) about the opioid crisis rings hollow because he doesn't actually have compassion or empathy.
His genuine concern is reserved for himself, his own, his presidency, his legacy, and perhaps his percentile of the working class population.
If people think they're being heard and considered, it was only going to be for the span of his campaign.
He doesn't actually take the actions necessary to make a difference (just the demolition work on the previous presidency). At least Biden's camp might take action on some of those things over the term, including a real health care plan. Unlike the imaginary one Trump was promising that he couldn't share any details of.
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Biden almost lost to the worst president in history.
Setting aside some of the other questionable things you wrote, in regards to the above: Biden will likely have over 4 million more votes than Trump when this is over and may end up winning 306 electoral votes. He didn't almost lose, in fact, if not for Gerrymandering, voter suppression and the efforts of Trump and the GOP to cast voting in doubt, this would be a pretty resounding victory. If anything, this election cast a bright light on the electorate and some of the foundational problems in the US, including education, media and electoral reform.
That said, the Dems have some work to do to bring the country together, but it won't be easy with Trump and the MAGAts trying to sow discord and doubt.
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I'm not sure there were many people, if any, in this thread who thought Joe Biden was some homerun candidate. I think for most of us we just thought he was the most likely to win. And based off the current map I'd say that was a very accurate assessment. I remain highly skeptical any other candidate, save maybe Michelle Obama, could have done better.
Yes, of the list of candidates, it is difficult to come up with one who was more likely to win.
My argument was never that Bernie or any of the other candidates were better. My argument was always that there must be other people out there somewhere, other moderates, that would be better candidates. In a country of 330 million people, are Biden and Bernie the best that the Democratic party can come up with?
I have a really bad feeling that they are going to have to remove Trump physically from office as he's going to call his loons to defend him by all means necessary. Just hope they take the nuclear codes from him. He's crazy and he won't accept defeat, they are going to need the military to drag him kicking and screaming from office.
I have a really bad feeling that they are going to have to remove Trump physically from office as he's going to call his loons to defend him by all means necessary. Just hope they take the nuclear codes from him. He's crazy and he won't accept defeat, they are going to need the military to drag him kicking and screaming from office.
I don't think so. Trump is a typical bully that as soon as he's faced with actual consequences for his actions will run away.
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Yes, of the list of candidates, it is difficult to come up with one who was more likely to win.
My argument was never that Bernie or any of the other candidates were better. My argument was always that there must be other people out there somewhere, other moderates, that would be better candidates. In a country of 330 million people, are Biden and Bernie the best that the Democratic party can come up with?
Isn't winning the best measure of who the "best" candidate is? I honestly don't know if there was someone more likely to win. Just think how terrible Trump has been the past four years, and then remember he still almost won again. America is a difficult place to comprehend, to say the least.
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Biden is a horrible candidate. Always has been, always will be. He was a distant 4th at the start of the primaries until all the other candidates dropped out very early and pledged their allegiance to Biden to prevent Sanders from coming close to winning.
Biden almost lost to the worst president in history.
They won despite Biden, not because of Biden. Did your somehow forget everything that happened in the last 4 years, and Trump still almost squeaked a victory? The country was literally burning in flames!
There is a very high likelyhood that the pandemic is what caused the tipping scale, as the American economy was in great shape prior.
Now obviously Obama couldn't run, but do you think for one second that Trump would have ever come close to winning in 2016 let alone in 2020 if the Democrats ran a candidate that was not part of the old guard? The DNC was forced to dust off Biden to put him in as a recognizable name after Clinton's humiliating defeat in 2016.
In 2015 Biden was largely seen as unelectable where he stepped aside to have Clinton take the Democrats to the presidency, in 2019 he was the only thing the Democrats had in the cupboards. They didn't have an Obama waiting in the wings ready and Kamala Harris is too polarizing to really get the same results at least at this time.
We are day 4 with an election where cocky posters were arrogantly touting right before the election that this will be a total landslide victory, with electoral seats as high as 368. This was the same arrogance and ignorance that got Trump elected to begin with.
And since I have to spell it out to some of the mindthink because any attempt to provide an argument gets met by disdain.
Whatever Trump has said in passing (because he doesn't actually care) about the opioid crisis rings hollow because he doesn't actually have compassion or empathy.
His genuine concern is reserved for himself, his own, his presidency, his legacy, and perhaps his percentile of the working class population.
If people think they're being heard and considered, it was only going to be for the span of his campaign.
I agree, but empty words still at least make you feel acknowledged.
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At least Biden's camp might take action on some of those things over the term, including a real health care plan.
Why would anyone just assume this when it's never been verbalized? The only person who addressed these issues and the job losses in these communities during the primaries was Sanders, and he's going to have very little say in a Biden administration. That's an awful lot of blind faith you're expecting of people who are continually ignored by the Democrats.
Setting aside some of the other questionable things you wrote, in regards to the above: Biden will likely have over 4 million more votes than Trump when this is over and may end up winning 306 electoral votes. He didn't almost lose, in fact, if not for Gerrymandering, voter suppression and the efforts of Trump and the GOP to cast voting in doubt, this would be a pretty resounding victory. If anything, this election cast a bright light on the electorate and some of the foundational problems in the US, including education, media and electoral reform.
That said, the Dems have some work to do to bring the country together, but it won't be easy with Trump and the MAGAts trying to sow discord and doubt.
This was a close election. I posted earlier on how his was closer than significant majority of recent elections.
Good news is that Trump is not an activist. Once he is out of office, don't expect him to take an active interest in things that don't directly affect him.
Setting aside some of the other questionable things you wrote, in regards to the above: Biden will likely have over 4 million more votes than Trump when this is over and may end up winning 306 electoral votes. He didn't almost lose, in fact, if not for Gerrymandering, voter suppression and the efforts of Trump and the GOP to cast voting in doubt, this would be a pretty resounding victory. If anything, this election cast a bright light on the electorate and some of the foundational problems in the US, including education, media and electoral reform.
That said, the Dems have some work to do to bring the country together, but it won't be easy with Trump and the MAGAts trying to sow discord and doubt.
Clinton had 3 million more votes than Trump, and that's before Trump did Trump things as a president.
Voter turnout was almost 30 million more than 2016. Making the 4 million vote for Biden even less impressive.
If anything that's an even worse showing. They got a few more votes in the right states this time, that's it.
That's the difference between Trump 2016 and no Trump 2020.
Isn't winning the best measure of who the "best" candidate is? I honestly don't know if there was someone more likely to win. Just think how terrible Trump has been the past four years, and then remember he still almost won again. America is a difficult place to comprehend, to say the least.
I have never understood this position.
If you pass a test, does that mean you were you the best student?
If you pass a test, does that mean you were you the best student?
Well, if you were the only one who passed, then... yeah.
But I do agree with you. The best candidate to win the primary does not necessarily equal the best candidate to win the general. But in this case, I think it turned out that they picked the right guy. Of the options available I just cannot see anyone else doing better.
I think Harris as VP pick was a dumb mistake, I said so at the time and my view hasn't changed. I think there were other options who would have helped more in Florida, Georgia or the Midwest. Harris turned out to be pretty much neutral in terms of her impact, it seems to me.
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If you pass a test, does that mean you were you the best student?
If it's a who is better test and you get 51 and the other person gets 49, yeah I guess so. How can you tell there was a better student if they weren't allowed to take the test? You can suppose someone would be better, but there's no guarantees. Biden will be winning this election because the suburbs in key states swung back his way. Was any other candidate gonna appeal more to the suburbs? Again, I'm very skeptical.
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