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11-05-2020, 10:07 PM
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#3841
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Originally Posted by woob
Is there any possibility of flipping the GA senate seat? It's 48 Dem, 50 Rep.
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If Loeffler gets charged for her insider trading and Perdue for his pandemic profiteering, its possible Warnock and Ossoff could win.
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11-05-2020, 10:08 PM
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#3842
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
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Originally Posted by Wormius
Steve Bannon was de-platformed. That’s a good thing.
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They left his beheading Wray and Fauci video on Facebook for 10 hours.
Facebook is terrible for our society. The cons outweigh the pros by a large margin.
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11-05-2020, 10:09 PM
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#3843
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Steve Kornacki on MSNBC just said there are still 175,000 mail in votes outstanding in Pennsylvania, of which 59,000 are in Philadelphia County.
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11-05-2020, 10:09 PM
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#3844
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11-05-2020, 10:09 PM
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#3845
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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
They left his beheading Wray and Fauci video on Facebook for 10 hours.
Facebook is terrible for our society. The cons outweigh the pros by a large margin.
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social media in general...although CP can stay
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11-05-2020, 10:11 PM
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NOT breaking news
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Far left are more likely to march down the street for three days than wait an hour to vote
This is an opinion
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That's a bit harsh? They helped win the election. Trump only underperformed with white males under 40.
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11-05-2020, 10:11 PM
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#3847
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Nanaimo
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Originally Posted by GGG
The parties select their own electors so if you fail to find 20 reliable people that is on the party.
I’m not sure you can change those laws post election and if you could wouldn’t the governor have veto
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There were 10 faithless electors in 2016. Washinton had 3 write ins for Colin Powell and 1 vote for a Faith spotted eagle. 4 different write ins for vice president.
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11-05-2020, 10:17 PM
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#3848
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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
There were 10 faithless electors in 2016. Washinton had 3 write ins for Colin Powell and 1 vote for a Faith spotted eagle. 4 different write ins for vice president.
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When was the last faithless elector that actually mattered though ?
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11-05-2020, 10:17 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Nanaimo
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Technically, every state does. Originally, every elector was appointed by the legislature. They then each created a statute that delegated that authority to the electorate, in the form of elections like this one. Technically, any one of them could take it back, and just send whatever electors they want.
How do I know this? I just flipped over to Fox News and saw their guest, a legal expert, explaining it. So if I'm wrong, it's because that's my source.
Specifically, he said that if by December 14 the election isn't "decided", that this will get "messy", and the above could take place. What he and the host agreed was meant by the election not being "decided" was if it's still tied up in litigation.
Fox is definitely going to be pushing this narrative now - "screw the Pennsylvania vote counts, we're just going to send 20 Trump electors to congress in January regardless of what the totals say." Now, to be clear, I'm not saying that this is necessarily what the Pennsylvania state legislature is going to do - I have a feeling some of them might be literally crucified by their constituents if they allowed that - but it sure looks to be what the Trump team is going to be calling for, and his supporters will probably be all for it as well. So prepare for that ugliness.
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Only 16 states plus DC do not punish faithless electors. All the other States threaten Jail time and some fine 1000 dollars a day till they honour their pledge.
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11-05-2020, 10:17 PM
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#3850
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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
There were 10 faithless electors in 2016. Washinton had 3 write ins for Colin Powell and 1 vote for a Faith spotted eagle. 4 different write ins for vice president.
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When was the last faithless elector that actually mattered though ? Easy to do something that doesn’t change anything.
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11-05-2020, 10:18 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
There were 10 faithless electors in 2016. Washinton had 3 write ins for Colin Powell and 1 vote for a Faith spotted eagle. 4 different write ins for vice president.
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Yes but it didn’t matter, if it mattered would these people have done the same things.
The argument for casting doubt on the election for 5 weeks the declaring it invalid is more interesting then I thought it would be.
Here is the legal argument against though
https://campaignlegal.org/sites/defa...ture_Paper.pdf
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11-05-2020, 10:18 PM
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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Originally Posted by puffnstuff
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That's changing the question. You are saying that people have ACA insurance and are presumably happy with it but are against Obamacare. The very vast majority of Americans have their medical insurance through their employer or Medicare if they're over 65. The ACA only really helps self-employed or part time workers making $20k-$40k or a little more if they have a big family.
Anyone making over $50k+ and not getting health care through their company was put in a slightly worse to much worse position from the ACA. Once Trump dismantled parts of it, the ACAs formulas were even worse for that population, and ironically made it even more attractive for the $20-40k range to the point that premiums are now negative $2000 in a lot of cases.
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11-05-2020, 10:20 PM
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#3853
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Technically, every state does. Originally, every elector was appointed by the legislature. They then each created a statute that delegated that authority to the electorate, in the form of elections like this one. Technically, any one of them could take it back, and just send whatever electors they want.
How do I know this? I just flipped over to Fox News and saw their guest, a legal expert, explaining it. So if I'm wrong, it's because that's my source.
Specifically, he said that if by December 14 the election isn't "decided", that this will get "messy", and the above could take place. What he and the host agreed was meant by the election not being "decided" was if it's still tied up in litigation.
Fox is definitely going to be pushing this narrative now - "screw the Pennsylvania vote counts, we're just going to send 20 Trump electors to congress in January regardless of what the totals say." Now, to be clear, I'm not saying that this is necessarily what the Pennsylvania state legislature is going to do - I have a feeling some of them might be literally crucified by their constituents if they allowed that - but it sure looks to be what the Trump team is going to be calling for, and his supporters will probably be all for it as well. So prepare for that ugliness.
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Red state electors could do it as well if it gets to that, especially if Trump continues to destroy their brand on the way out the door.
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11-05-2020, 10:21 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Somewhere down the crazy river.
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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
They left his beheading Wray and Fauci video on Facebook for 10 hours.
Facebook is terrible for our society. The cons outweigh the pros by a large margin.
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Social media platforms are way too lax when it comes to public figures. There was some guy mirroring Trump and he would get suspended constantly for the same stuff Trump would Tweet.
Bannon should have been shut down a long time ago.
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11-05-2020, 10:22 PM
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How is this not done yet?
Absolutely mind bogglingly ridiculous.
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11-05-2020, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
Only 16 states plus DC do not punish faithless electors. All the other States threaten Jail time and some fine 1000 dollars a day till they honour their pledge.
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By state law, correct? Because I think - and I'm not certain, but I think - the implication is that the legislatures could change that if they wanted by simply repealing that law. Query whether that's possible to accomplish in the time available, though.
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11-05-2020, 10:23 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Nanaimo
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Originally Posted by Weitz
When was the last faithless elector that actually mattered though ?
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Not for sometime. It's not that much of a worry BUT if Biden dosen't win at least 1 of them out east it could be bad. Luckily tho Arizona in July won a Supreme Court case in july that upheld the right to remove Electoral votors for resrpresenting themselves.
So No,it won't generally matter but It actually could have if Arizona had lost that case.
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11-05-2020, 10:25 PM
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First Line Centre
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John Dickerson on the Slate Political Gabfest discussed this and as I recall, the repeal would not be recognized as the slate of electors must be set well in advance. The new electors would simply not be recognized. I think it was a professor from Stanford Law that they were discussing this with.
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11-05-2020, 10:26 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Nanaimo
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
By state law, correct? Because I think - and I'm not certain, but I think - the implication is that the legislatures could change that if they wanted by simply repealing that law. Query whether that's possible to accomplish in the time available, though.
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By state law yes. That law would be instantly challenged in court tho. Like my last post Arizona won a court case just in July to uphold their's.
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11-05-2020, 10:27 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
Only 16 states plus DC do not punish faithless electors. All the other States threaten Jail time and some fine 1000 dollars a day till they honour their pledge.
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Is their any guarantee that they would enforce the law? Serious question, because I don't know. If it is a state law, could a governor just pardon them immediately after?
I know it would probably be political suicide in a democracy, but if it gets to that point, democratic norms will kind of be out the window anyway.
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