[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by ernie

Not sure this was noted in all the finger crossing etc on the presidential race but something that is both funny and sad.

North Dakota, state that has completely buried its head in the sand when it comes to COVID had GOP member David Andahl elected to the state legislature. He died of COVID last month.

Was there another Republican candidate to vote for on the ballot?

[dino7c]

I know people in Florida that have abortion as their #1 issue because of religion. They would never vote for anyone pro Womens rights. You can't reach these people, its impossible...You or I would get their vote as the republican candidate.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Exactly this.

Republicans, for whatever reason, are more likely to vote in person. I doubt it matters if they are black or white. The exit polls are going to be varying degrees of misleading more so this year than in most.

Just one more thing for Republicans to cling on to and misinterpret to fit their narrative.

I agree that exit polls are not overly reliable, but there is enough data to show that the GOP increased their share of the non-white vote to the highest level since 1960.

You do realize this is something that is shown in the actual data, and not just in exit polls, right?

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Azure

The bigger issue is that people are constantly trying to label voters into groups, and that clearly is being rejected here. How many times have we seen the whole 'Trump supporters are all racists' being thrown around here on CP? Is that the perception? Or actual reality?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1324004582360522752

I did find it funny that literally the prior post was that.

I see some are still clinging onto the racism excuse. People don’t vote for the same things in the same priority.

Wondering how Trump captured this vote?

Trump: Here is my Platnium plan for the Black community. It helps establish ownership to get this group ahead. I am also working on criminal justice reform

Biden: You ain’t Black unless you vote for me

As a minority are you that excited to vote for Biden? Or as Dems put it, is it because of all that self hatred Trump has put on you that you can’t do the right thing.

I hope Joe wins but the Dems need to wake up.

[peter12]

Establishing home ownership for the Black community has been a policy need since the 1960s. Huge, honestly.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Also, I think this election should show every democracy that an upper age limit should be in place. Make it match retirement age.

There will come a day when you are really embarrassed by the foolishness of this.

Fighting to remove the vote from a group because you believe they vote differently than you do, is the definition of undemocratic. All voters are equal, or you do not have a democracy.

Should we have education restrictions? income level restrictions? Sexual orientation restrictions? Ethnicity? Only the employed?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by opendoor

How do you gerrymander a statewide race?

I thought they used electoral districts. I must be confusing it with the House Reps or something.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I don't know, Trump's support among black voters is pretty normal. The Obama elections were the outliers if anything. Here's the % of the black vote that Republican presidential candidates have gotten since 1980:

1980: 14%
1984: 9%
1988: 11%
1992: 10% (plus 7% for Perot)
1996: 12% (plus 4% for Perot)
2000: 9%
2004: 11%
2008: 4%
2012: 6%
2016: 8%
2020: 12% (based on NYT exit polls)

Percentage of non-white votes since 1960.

1952: 21
1956: 39
1960: 32
1964: 6
1968: 12
1972: 13
1976: 15
1980: 10
1984: 13
1988: 18
1992: 11
1996: 12
2000: 9
2004: 17
2008: 10
2012: 11
2016: 21
2020: 26 (preliminary)

[sa226]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There will come a day when you are really embarrassed by the foolishness of this.



Fighting to remove the vote from a group because you believe they vote differently than you do, is the definition of undemocratic. All voters are equal, or you do not have a democracy.



Should we have education restrictions? income level restrictions? Sexual orientation restrictions? Ethnicity? Only the employed?

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the poster means the candidates, not the voters.

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[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There will come a day when you are really embarrassed by the foolishness of this.

Fighting to remove the vote from a group because you believe they vote differently than you do, is the definition of undemocratic. All voters are equal, or you do not have a democracy.

Should we have education restrictions? income level restrictions? Sexual orientation restrictions? Ethnicity? Only the employed?

A 17-year-old can't vote...

[Red]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

A 17-year-old can't vote...

neither can a 4 year old,

You're welcome for my great contribution.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

A 17-year-old can't vote...

Yeah cuz they’re minors who don’t pay taxes.

They also have a different justice system.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I think the Dems just need to get better at lying.

Trump and the republicans have made it their MO to lie about the positive effect they'll have on the middle class, tax cuts, job creation etc. Not to mention their moral and religious values that we all know are BS.

The Dems don't lie as good. They extoll all these virtues of freedom and equality when nobody wants that. They want good old fashioned fear mongering. It has always worked better. That's a fact (as proven by political ads).

Then when you get in power, you do the exact opposite of what you campaigned on. That is, campaign against socialized medicine, against cutting police and military spending, campaign against asylum for immigrants, against separation of church and state etc.

Then when you win, just do whatever the #### you want because who gives a ####. Medicare for all, asylum for illegals, massive increases to the social safety net etc.

The trick to getting ahead in life is to be a two face backstabber. When will these do gooder Dems learn? It's been this way for thousands of years and has been mastered time and time again by the greatest religious and government officials who have ever lived. Entire empires have been built on it.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I thought they used electoral districts. I must be confusing it with the House Reps or something.

You can't gerrymander an individual state-wide senate race, but the senate as a whole is inherently gerrymandered in a way that strongly favours the Republicans. The predominantly rural states with small populations have non-proportionate senate representation equal to the predominantly urban states with large populations. It's ridiculously anti-democratic that Wyoming (population 579k) has an equivalent number of senators as California (population 39.5M).

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There will come a day when you are really embarrassed by the foolishness of this.

Fighting to remove the vote from a group because you believe they vote differently than you do, is the definition of undemocratic. All voters are equal, or you do not have a democracy.

Should we have education restrictions? income level restrictions? Sexual orientation restrictions? Ethnicity? Only the employed?

Just to play devils advocate here - what about under 18 voting?

I think its a similar thought process that someone 90+ has a high chance of having some form of cognitive impediment that likely wouldn't put them in the right mind to make decisions for the greater good. Similar to a child.

There is also the argument of how someone voting in the last years of their lives are similar to being at a restaurant, ordering for the whole table, leaving before the appetizers arrive and then footing them with the bill.

Again, I agree with you but some of these arguments are atleast reasonable.

Elderly people are stripped of driving rights, etc. as they age because they aren't able to make these decisions for themselves and can be a potential danger to society.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Firebot

The bold is very accurate.

People on average are very stupid and very selfish. This is why we are dealing with an out of control pandemic in north America that was contained in Asian countries first hit like Vietnam, South Korea and Japan. Individualism breeds selfishness, reasons to be Democrat or Republican are mostly for selfish reasons (you benefit the most from those policies).

Everything that Trump has done so far, the covid denial, all the chaos, none of that matters to a voter who only sees us vs them. "They" will destroy your ideologies, "they" are socialists that want to take away what you have.

Democrats need to become more moderate on certain issues, as the US sure as heck is not a moderate country. It doesn't mean abandon things that need to be fought for, it means get out of the business of telling people what is best for them.

Let's also remember that not that long ago, Democrats were the racist right wing party fighting for slavery and segregation while Republicans were considered left wing. Someone born 100 years ago would be utterly confused in 2020.

Identities can change.

Agreed for the most part, but what issues do you think Dems should be more moderate?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

You can't gerrymander an individual state-wide senate race, but the senate as a whole is inherently gerrymandered in a way that strongly favours the Republicans. The predominantly rural states with small populations have non-proportionate senate representation equal to the predominantly urban states with large populations. It's ridiculously anti-democratic that Wyoming (population 579k) has an equivalent number of senators as California (population 39.5M).

The number of senators is intentionally undemocratic. It's to prevent tyranny of the majority. The stupid US system was designed with all those checks and balances on purpose. I'm sure you know this but I'm explaining it anyways.

But the House seats are wildly gerrymandered and the EC votes are undemocratic and over represent the low population states.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Who would have beat Trump by more? Trump is a moron but literally has a cult voting for him

He has 67 million of them voting for him.

Oh. You said ‘cult’.

[GreenLantern2814]

If you’re of age to vote, and a citizens of the land, you get to vote.

Period.

Everybody gets to do it, or it doesn’t work. Don’t even open the door to the idea, and roundly reject those who attempt to.

And don’t be afraid to examine your ideas. They might not be as good as you think. You might even one day find yourself arguing for stripping seniors of their right to vote.

That’s not a good idea.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by dino7c

At least 2 years if they don't but I will take Biden being blocked over Trumps absolute nonsense daily

Completely agree, but damn, if they win the Senate, they can start actually doing things from the get-go.