[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You think they messed up courting moderate Republicans but also went too far left?

That's a thin needle to thread, you can't honestly believe both those things are true can you?

Democrats definitely did attempt both, that's why we are here.

They are that out of touch with the American people that even with the worst president in history can still get down to where we are doing recounts to determine the presidency.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by nik-

On the basis that clearly "socialist!" is still an effective strategy. If it could be used on someone who is even further left it would have been even more effective. Thus, they would have got dummied.

That's pretty poor logic. If you're basing that on the Florida Latino population, it's not representative of the Latino population across the country.

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https://twitter.com/user/status/1324042951547183105

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Dems are going to get 4M+ more votes this election and the talk is how poorly they are doing...seems the system is flawed.

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[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

FL might not be lost if they actually count the missing 27% of mail in ballots that the USPS is witholding.

I could see a legal challenge there, but with DeSantis in the governor's mansion, it won't get very far.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Is the USPS actually withholding them or are they just lost in the ether? Or is it a situation where USPS has possession of them but hasn't delivered them to the vote counters?

If it's the latter case, I'm surprised they can so precisely provide numbers of how many they have. Just... deliver them.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by rubecube

That's pretty poor logic. If you're basing that on the Florida Latino population, it's not representative of the Latino population across the country.

The Miami Cuban vote was just one aspect, it clearly plays wider than you want to admit. Most Mexicans and Central Americans are going to vote against whoever is running against Trump anyway, so where on the spectrum they land on is probably irrelevant.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

As opposed to Moscow Mitch and the Republicans who rammed through the ACB nomination but ended the senate session without even debating the House's COVID relief bill that would have immediately put stimulus money in the hands of out-of-work people. The GOP totally is in-touch with the average American, right fellas?

You're missing the point completely. The Republicans do that stuff because it's red-meat for their base and drives up their voter enthusiasm numbers. The Democrats making that a focus of their campaign instead of putting out a solid COVID relief plan, etc., plays exactly into the RNC's hands.

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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Is the USPS actually withholding them or are they just lost in the ether? Or is it a situation where USPS has possession of them but hasn't delivered them to the vote counters?

If it's the latter case, I'm surprised they can so precisely provide numbers of how many they have. Just... deliver them.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Dems are going to get 4M+ more votes this election and the talk is how poorly they are doing...seems the system is flawed.

Well the republicans currently have 5M+ more votes than 2016 as well...

[3thirty]

Is the Arizona swing likely due to the massive amounts of Californians that have moved in recent years or an actual change of heart?

[Azure]

Voter turnout despite COVID is encouraging.

Makes you wonder how much a good early voting system would increase voter turnout in Canada as well.

[octothorp]

It's definitely a tough road forward for Democrats. They almost certainly won't get the senate they need to pass any sort of real agenda. The best they'll be able to do is restore norms and expose Trump's legacy over the next two years, and hope that they get things right in the 2022 midterms, but this is 3 cycles in a row of underperforming expectations at the senate level.

And the senate has traditionally been about finding the right candidate for the state, but it seems it's more highly correlated to the top of the ticket, at least in presidential years. The 2022 senate seat is supposed to be favorable for them, but at this point, who knows?

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1324045780035010560

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Azure

Voter turnout despite COVID is encouraging.

Makes you wonder how much a good early voting system would increase voter turnout in Canada as well.

Obviously good candidates isn’t the answer. Might as well give it a shot!

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You think they messed up courting moderate Republicans but also went too far left?

That's a thin needle to thread, you can't honestly believe both those things are true can you?

Democrats definitely did attempt both and lost on both sides, that's why we are here.

They pushed identity politics too far to the point where they lost the latino vote...to Trump...

They are that out of touch with the American people that even with the worst president in history can still get down to where we are doing recounts to determine the presidency.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Democrats definitely did attempt both, that's why we are here.

They are that out of touch with the American people that even with the worst president in history can still get down to where we are doing recounts to determine the presidency.

I agree that they attempted to court both those votes, but not that they actually moved one way or the other in terms of the party itself.

They were just scattered and disingenuine about enough issues that enough people didn't buy in. I don't think a half-hearted plea to progressives cost them moderate/Republican votes as much as I think it cost them progressive votes.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by nik-

The Miami Cuban vote was just one aspect, it clearly plays wider than you want to admit.

And I don't think you have any supporting evidence to make that claim. We're both speculating here.

Most Mexicans and Central Americans are going to vote against whoever is running against Trump anyway, so where on the spectrum they land on is probably irrelevant.

Again, so far, it looks like those numbers were higher for Trump this time than last time, so why is that?

[you&me]

Originally Posted by New Era

You misread my post then. I said Donald J. Trump will continue along as the 45th President of the United States until the legal challenges are completed and a winner determined.

Out of curiosity, is anything in place to either ensure an expedient process to the legal challenge and / or change the election date?

For example, could Trump drag out the legal cases for, say 2 years and even in the case of a loss, effectively limit Biden's term to 2 years?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by rubecube

And I don't think you have any supporting evidence to make that claim. We're both speculating here.



Again, so far, it looks like those numbers were higher for Trump this time than last time, so why is that?

I'll ask you this, do you think the higher Mexican votes for Trump, the right wing racist, are higher because Biden wasn't left enough? Because that makes literally no sense. Or perhaps is it because attacking the left wing boogeyman still works?