Calgarypuck Prospect Ranking 2020 - Round 17 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Bingo · 11-04-2020, 07:25 AM

It's time for the 8th annual Calgarypuck Prospect Ranking, but at a different time of year and certainly at a different time.

First a look back at previous years can be done with this handy link: Previous Results

Once again vote how you want. There are those that vote 100% on potential, some that vote 100% on the likelihood to see an NHL rink, others that apply a mix, some using the value in a trade. Completely up to you.

I'll run one a day until we are done, and then FlamesAddiction wants to do a one off list version to compare the results.

We start with 35 names so this should get us pretty close to a Flames camp.

2020 Results
1. Valimaki - 85%
2. Zary - 62%
3. Pelletier - 74%
4. Wolf (Run Off)
5. Mackey (Run Off)
6. Pettersen 42%
7. Phillips 36%
8. Gawdin 28%
9. Zavgorodniy 34%
10. Poirier 39%
11. Kuznetsov 43%
12. Kinnvall 56%
13. Ruzicka 44%
14. Chechelev 41%
15. Parsons 46%
16. Yelesin 25%

Enoch Root · 11-04-2020, 09:41 AM

will probably be riding the Boltmann train for a while

keenan87 · 11-04-2020, 09:52 AM

At this point, I don't really know much about any of these prospects.

mikephoen · 11-04-2020, 09:53 AM

Boltmann!

Monahammer · 11-04-2020, 10:26 AM

I have Nikolayev, Francis, then Lerby before Boltmann. I just don't see the upside in Boltmann, yet. Will be interesting to see how he performs in the coming season though.

Enoch Root · 11-04-2020, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

I have Nikolayev, Francis, then Lerby before Boltmann. I just don't see the upside in Boltmann, yet. Will be interesting to see how he performs in the coming season though.

drafted 8 spots after Poirier in a deep draft, who went 7 rounds ago.

Monahammer · 11-04-2020, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

drafted 8 spots after Poirier in a deep draft, who went 7 rounds ago.

Draft position means nothing to me, this group of scouts drafted Hunter smith in the 2nd round.

Boltmann needs to show up more on stats sheets in relevant leagues before I am on board.

SeanCharles · 11-04-2020, 11:56 AM

Yea I tend to agree with the consensus in that:

a) don’t vote solely based upon where a guy was picked
b) I don’t know enough but just looking at all the readily available information, the Boltmann pick was extremely puzzling. He was looking like a guy that was going to be undrafted or go in a much later round.

Everything in his profiles discuss how he was playing in a league too good for his skill set so he must have been seemingly impressive. The quality of competition wasn’t there though, which is concerning, but these next couple years in college will give us a better idea of how to feel about it.

I know it probably wasn’t in the cards but it would have been nice to somehow use the Boltmann and Kuznetsov picks to move up and take another prospect with a great hockey name in Gunler.

Having said that I still think Kuznetsov wasn’t a bad pick per se.

Bingo · 11-04-2020, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Yea I tend to agree with the consensus in that:

a) don’t vote solely based upon where a guy was picked
b) I don’t know enough but just looking at all the readily available information, the Boltmann pick was extremely puzzling. He was looking like a guy that was going to be undrafted or go in a much later round.

Everything in his profiles discuss how he was playing in a league too good for his skill set so he must have been seemingly impressive. The quality of competition wasn’t there though, which is concerning, but these next couple years in college will give us a better idea of how to feel about it.

I know it probably wasn’t in the cards but it would have been nice to somehow use the Boltmann and Kuznetsov picks to move up and take another prospect with a great hockey name in Gunler.

Having said that I still think Kuznetsov wasn’t a bad pick per se.

Recent drafting has me just pretty much trusting what they think these days.

I think most of us know the first round, then know names that could have gone in the first round, but very little else.

So I certainly won't and can't defend any of their picks, but they've been right enough lately that I'll assume they project a right shooting, high character third pairing dman and went for it.

SeanCharles · 11-04-2020, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Recent drafting has me just pretty much trusting what they think these days.

I think most of us know the first round, then know names that could have gone in the first round, but very little else.

So I certainly won't and can't defend any of their picks, but they've been right enough lately that I'll assume they project a right shooting, high character third pairing dman and went for it.

Yea you are probably right.

I think the problem people have with it is 3rd pairing dmen aren’t that difficult to find so why bother drafting them when you could go for a player with significantly more potential?

Enoch Root · 11-04-2020, 02:05 PM

Do you think his ceiling is lower than Yelesin's?

Monahammer · 11-04-2020, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Yea you are probably right.

I think the problem people have with it is 3rd pairing dmen aren’t that difficult to find so why bother drafting them when you could go for a player with significantly more potential?

I think they did with their other third rounder in Poirier. He has great potential, but IMO is a very far cry from working it out still. Perhaps they think Boltmann has a much safer floor and decided to split the difference on risk.

Bingo · 11-04-2020, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Yea you are probably right.

I think the problem people have with it is 3rd pairing dmen aren’t that difficult to find so why bother drafting them when you could go for a player with significantly more potential?

To me there are two kinds of third pairing defensemen.

Replacement level plugs, and guys that can really skate but may not have the offence and could become second pair guys.

Hopefully he's the latter, otherwise, ... agreed, why waste a pick on a guy that can be signed off the scrap heap at any time.

1qqaaz · 11-04-2020, 02:38 PM

Boltmann reminds me of the Brandon Hickey pick from 2014.

Hickey played in a lower league (AJHL), and only had pretty decent numbers there.
He ended up being a decent prospect, and was traded as part of the package for Smith.
I think Hickey was a better pick than Hunter Smith or Mason McDonald, who were drafted that same year. Basically all of the 2014 picks were busts though, except debatably Bennett.

iLoveLamp · 11-04-2020, 03:35 PM

Nikolayev gang rise up

Sandman · 11-04-2020, 05:42 PM

I voted Lerby. He's already played pro hockey, and put up respectable numbers. He could see time in the NHL this year.

KootenayFlamesFan · 11-04-2020, 05:52 PM

I voted for Nikolayev for quite a few rounds, just something about watching him play (just on highlights, mind you) makes me think there's something there. He's got skill and can skate, hopefully he can put it together and turn into a player. I'll go Francis next round.

1qqaaz · 11-04-2020, 06:15 PM

I regret not voting for Johannes Kinnvall sooner. I think he should be around the top 6.
He might lead his league in scoring, while also being one of the youngest players, and while also being a defenseman. His NHLe is 67 points...

timbit · 11-04-2020, 07:02 PM

IMO, I believe a lot of people are underrating Colton Poolman.

Sandman · 11-04-2020, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I regret not voting for Johannes Kinnvall sooner. I think he should be around the top 6.
He might lead his league in scoring, while also being one of the youngest players, and while also being a defenseman. His NHLe is 67 points...

I would've put him that high myself. I've been trumpeting about this guy for awhile, so hopefully he turns out lol