[Rumour] TSN: Treliving would like to add an experienced right side d-man

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I didn't like the Tanev signing.

Other than that, I've been pretty happy with the Flames' offseason so far. The draft was great, especially because of trading down twice and still getting Zary. The free agent signings have been good. Treliving has made some really good value signings and gotten the top goaltender available.

I'm willing to give Treliving the benefit of the doubt. I'm gonna take a wait and see approach.

I've seen Gaudreau and Monahan unable to control the puck for a whole shift at even strength in Colorado and Dallas' zones in back to back years.

I agree about the offseason so far, and some things were addressed, but I've seen the Monahan-Gaudreau-led offense story play out enough times to know what to expect in a round against a legitimate western conference playoff team, and even better goaltending probably doesn't change the outcome.

But I guess. Let's whistle and look the other way and pretend. That's what our GM is doing.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

If we fizzle out first round again with Monahan and Gaudreau still on the roster, should Treliving be on the hot seat? Or should he be given next offseason to address our weakness in the top 6?

I think Treliving has had a fantastic summer. If Monahan and Gaudreau fizzle out again, I don't think that falls on Treliving, I think that falls on

1) them
2) the coach for leaving them together if they still aren't working.

The goaltending is solved. The defense is solid and full of young depth. There is lots of depth in the forward ranks.

If the top 6 fails again, then you make changes to it. You don't fire the GM every time the team doesn't win the cup.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I mean if you cpuld move Monahan for Risto and Cozens, that helps the future I guess. But is a gamble none the less.

Would be a dream come true for me if this happened.

[DomeFoam]

nm

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Would be a dream come true for me if this happened.

And for the Sabres...

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Stop wasting time and effort and just let Kylington ####ing play

He’s 100% better than anyone they pick up.

Ha. He is a polarizing player for sure. I'm of the opposite view. Get rid of him now while he still has value. I see the warts to his game. Some see the skating, etc which i totally get though.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I mean if you cpuld move Monahan for Risto and Cozens, that helps the future I guess. But is a gamble none the less.

Monahan and Kylington for Ristolinen and Cozens does make sense to me.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I've seen Gaudreau and Monahan unable to control the puck for a whole shift at even strength in Colorado and Dallas' zones in back to back years.

I agree about the offseason so far, and some things were addressed, but I've seen the Monahan-Gaudreau-led offense story play out enough times to know what to expect in a round against a legitimate western conference playoff team, and even better goaltending probably doesn't change the outcome.

But I guess. Let's whistle and look the other way and pretend. That's what our GM is doing.

I would wager Treliving isn't happy with that pair and if he could find a trade that made sense he would have no qualms about sending one or both of those guys out of here.

I'm also glad that he isn't forcing a trade if he isn't getting good value in a trade for those guys due to the current covid climate. Those are the kinds of desperation moves that would set this franchise back a lot more than an underperforming playoff appearance by Sean or Johnny.

From my eye it looks like he has been adding all these guys in free agency who can play up and down the lineup as a backup plan so they can try splitting up Johnny and Sean and make the lines more balanced.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I've seen Gaudreau and Monahan unable to control the puck for a whole shift at even strength in Colorado and Dallas' zones in back to back years.

I agree about the offseason so far, and some things were addressed, but I've seen the Monahan-Gaudreau-led offense story play out enough times to know what to expect in a round against a legitimate western conference playoff team, and even better goaltending probably doesn't change the outcome.

But I guess. Let's whistle and look the other way and pretend. That's what our GM is doing.

There's is a massive assumption you are making that he hasn't tried. We have heard that the trade market for forwards cratered. In addition, some teams are operating with reduced salary budgets under the cap.

So do you simply trade your top forwards "for the sake of change" if you don't think it actually makes your team better?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I've seen Gaudreau and Monahan unable to control the puck for a whole shift at even strength in Colorado and Dallas' zones in back to back years.

I agree about the offseason so far, and some things were addressed, but I've seen the Monahan-Gaudreau-led offense story play out enough times to know what to expect in a round against a legitimate western conference playoff team, and even better goaltending probably doesn't change the outcome.

But I guess. Let's whistle and look the other way and pretend. That's what our GM is doing.

Since you're in the inner loop what else is he doing!? Dying to know.

Have never understood how fans make assumptions about what a GM is doing or not doing based on press releases and trade calls. He could have actively shopped a handful of players for weeks on end, but ran into a brutal lack of return and with that went another way.

Or are you saying that one of Gaudreau or Monahan HAD to be traded at any price in order to say the right thing was done?

[calumniate]

Classic Tre - need 18 d-men and no forwards on the right side

[bax]

Since they Flames didn’t make a big shakeup to their forward group I think it’s likely they are deployed differently next year.

This past season there was a focus for Monahan and Gaudreau to improve their defensive games. I think they did, but I don’t know if that was a net positive for the team given their struggles on the production side.

This is just one example of many that we will probably see, but I think they try some unique line combinations this season.

Tkachuk - Monahan - Mangiapane
Gaudreau - Bennett - Lindholm
Dube - Backlund - Leivo
Lucic - Ryan - Simon
Nordstrom

Before people freak out at some of these combinations I full expect the lines to be in a blender this year to give the team a different look.

[Strange Brew]

I don’t think you can overly focus on one transaction or one off season. Better to look at the whole body of work.

There is one school of thought that says the GM always knows more then we do and therefore every move or lack thereof is the best that anyone could have done under the circumstances. That doesn’t seem like interesting fodder for discussion.

It is fascinating how some posters are much harder on players who are clearly trying and competing than the guy behind the desk who is also trying. And vice versa.

[djsFlames]

No. It's my impatience speaking, mostly.

We probably have 3-4 years of Markstrom playing at a high level, the same for Lindholm and Hanifin at their friendly contracts, and only a short term window for Tkachuk and Mangiapane at reduced costs before they level up money-wise. We don't have much runway left to be gambling on Gaudreau and Monahan while all they other pieces stay intact at what they cost currently. I want to see some lateral/retooling moves with one or both to get a different look in this top 6 because i don't think the current group works. It's shown repeatedly it doesn't when the going gets hard.

We need(ed) to try something else. And if August didn't reinforce that truth nothing will. I am certain that if this was priority #1 for treliving he would create a hockey trade that would facilitate that change, just like he's made other constructive things happen. Trading gaudreau for assets and filling that spot with Hall was an intriguing option he could have taken but he didn't. But something needs to be done there. No, not a move rooted in desperation, but something HAS to change in the make up of our top 6 simply because as is it does not have the punch/right mix of skill and attributes needed. For e.g. Monahan for Laine (already rumored to be on the block) with us moving Lindholm to center. Thats a lateral/retool move that doesn't see us lose talent and gives WPG and CGY different looks. A trade like that (but not specifically that) is the sort of trade the Flames need to be making before our next playoff run and is the one many of us expected at the conclusion of game 6.

I dont know why I'm the goof for continuing to hold that expectation after I watched what I did from out top line. I'm no longer fine rolling the dice on the same guys, so I sure as hell hope Treliving is working the phones and listening in on all things that could address that. I've just heard no rumblings, no signs, no speculation from any media close to the team that he is currently trying to. Just rumblings about fringe players and defense. And now those areas have been addressed. There should be more smoke around 13 and 23 right now than there is.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by dammage79

In regards to the Dreger speculation. It just befuddled me that the Flames would still be looking for more defense. IMO that part of the team build is done. You have the farm depth, the popcorn eating depth. If you need more d bodies ypu do the trade deadline again.

Except for Petrovic, every AHL d-man who is signed is still on his ELC. Acquiring another veteran d-man makes sense, especially if the rumour of allowing teams to carry a few extra players in limbo between the AHL and NHL comes true.

[Robbob]

If there is one thing that Treliving does is have back up plans. Looking at the dmen, I could see him having/wanting a vet for the 7th spot eating popcorn. No point having one of the kids do that if they can play big minutes in the AHL (in a normal season). Only ones on the roster that fit that bill would be Petrovic and Nesterov. Even then, you maybe want those guys to be a plan B if you can sign someone on a discount.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I dont know why I'm the goof for continuing to hold that expectation after I watched what I did from out top line. I'm no longer fine rolling the dice on the same guys, so I sure as hell hope Treliving is working the phones and listening in on all things that could address that. I've just heard no rumblings, no signs, no speculation from any media close to the team that he is currently trying to. Just rumblings about fringe players and defense. And now those areas have been addressed. There should be more smoke around 13 and 23 right now than there is.

First off no one is calling you a goof.

Secondly I agree with you. I just don't make the leap to stating the current GM thinks differently and isn't even pursuing change for the top six as you are hoping.

My happiness order

1. Treliving finds a deal that alters the chemistry of the top six and Flames make out like bandits in the transaction.
2. Treliving finds a deal that alters the chemistry of the top six and both teams get fair value in the transaction.
3. Treliving checks the market, doesn't like the return and decides to leave the core as is unless someone ups their offer.
4. Treliving takes the best offer he can find for one of Gaudreau or Monahan and moves them in a trade that is clearly a loss for the Flames.

Would much rather have 3 than 4.

[Enoch Root]

You can't go into a season with 6 defensemen. I don't know why this is an annual discussion. Here are the number of defenemen that played AT LEAST 10 GAMES for the Flames over the last 5 years:

15/16: 10
16/17: 9
17/18: 8
18/19: 10
19/20: 7 (with 3 more that played 7 games, in a shortened season)

So I am not sure why the angst towards acquiring another vet for depth.

[MrMike]

With what cap space are we adding another Dman, taking Kylingtons 800k into consideration?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by MrMike

With what cap space are we adding another Dman, taking Kylingtons 800k into consideration?

popcorn eaters / AHL players won't affect the cap

(unless they make more than $1M, which won't be the case)