[News] UPD: Coyotes renounce the rights to draft pick Mitchell Miller

[Futzee]

Sue for millions? I think you're thinking of the US court system there champ. How about a few examples where someone in Canada sued for private records being exposed and was awarded millions? I appreciate the Canadian legal system because we don't normalize frivolous lawsuits and ambulance chasing lawyers. They still exist but the upside for scummy lawyers isn't anything like it is in the USA.

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

If this was a canadian kid and his record was exposed to the public.

He would be able to sue under law!

Its not a canadian kid, but if it was he could sue for millions!

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by ikaris

You sound like you’re a racist #######. Good luck with that.

I would have thought you were better than this, ikaris. Disappointing.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

I am still amazed Canadians on this forum think Miller deserves all of this!

Hey, I am one of them.

If this was a Canadian kid, no one would know anything about his past actions as a 14 year old.

Young Offenders act etc.

There is a lynch mob mentality going on here, no Canadian kid would have to deal with. No one would know!

Personally I think the young man is scum. Can he learn from his mistakes? If a 14 year old is not capable of learning why have schools?

What the kid did was horrible. I am just asking which justice system would you want? The Canadian one or the American one.

If this was a Canadian kid there would be so many lawsuits right now.

I am not picking a side here. Not supporting Miller. Yet as a Canadian I am suppose to be fine with never hearing about stuff like this from Canadian boys.

Do things need to change? Are 14 year olds now considered adults in Canada? Our justice system says no.

I am not defending the kid. Our justice system in Canada would. Are we wrong in Canada?

Canadian values would say none of this would of hit the media if it was a Canadian boy.

Thoughts from Canadians?

While the general public might not know the who, what, where... people in the hockey world would know 99% of the story.

People in the community it happened in would know those details and scouts talk to everyone. Nothing is ever really a secret. Regardless of publication bans, people would share intel on the kid and people in the hockey world would know he’s radio active.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Yeah, I'm an expat and I think I've made my nuanced view clear.

The victim's mother wants us to believe that she never meant for any of this to happen. But back in 2016 she was allegedly threatening to go to the media if her son's soccer association didn't play her kid more. And then her husband assaulted the coach.

Just goes to show you that no one is perfect. We all make mistakes.

Why does it matter at all what type of character the victim's mother is?
That's not at issue, and frankly should have no bearing on the story at all.

The lengths to which you have gone to defend this kid are outright disturbing. What's the benefit to you? All I can think is that you're guilty of equally awful behavior in your life and using this case to try and make yourself feel better. Stop, all you have to do to achieve that is accept responsibility and apologize. The exact same thing that the Miller family should have done, and if they had this wouldn't be a story.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Why does it matter at all what type of character the victim's mother is?
That's not at issue, and frankly should have no bearing on the story at all.

You're welcome to your opinion.

I think it is relevant that this lady and her husband tried to bully a soccer association, including threatening to go to the media and the latter even assaulting a coach for which he was charged. I'm not condemning them for life, it happened four years ago.

But IMO it is contextually relevant.

Did they apologize to the coach that was assaulted? Probably. They seem like decent people who just made a mistake.

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The lengths to which you have gone to defend this kid are outright disturbing. What's the benefit to you? All I can think is that you're guilty of equally awful behavior in your life and using this case to try and make yourself feel better. Stop, all you have to do to achieve that is accept responsibility and apologize. The exact same thing that the Miller family should have done, and if they had this wouldn't be a story.

I've never defended this kid's actions. Quite the opposite. If you're disturbed, well, then maybe you're just disturbed? Certainly confused. Certainly mistaking my views for something else.

And now I'm accused of being racist for digging into this lady's past. I went to "great lengths", after all. I Googled "Joni Meyer-Crothers soccer coach".

And it turns out, this lady is a good person. She has adopted a number of children in need. I commend her for that.

Not perfect, but who is?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by ikaris

You sound like you’re a racist #######. Good luck with that.

And this right here is the kind of thing that is wrong with society. Your views don’t match mine on a subject.
You are a racist.

Different political views than me.
You are a racist.

Cannon’s posts haven’t indicated any sort of racism. At all. His posts have been respected, and on subject. Then you post that.

In fact, the post you made is bullying.


Be better.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by cannon7

You're welcome to your opinion.

I think it is relevant that this lady and her husband tried to bully a soccer association, including threatening to go to the media and the latter even assaulting a coach for which he was charged. I'm not condemning them for life, it happened four years ago.

But IMO it is contextually relevant.

Did they apologize to the coach that was assaulted? Probably. They seem like decent people who just made a mistake.



I've never defended this kid's actions. Quite the opposite. If you're disturbed, well, then maybe you're just disturbed? Certainly confused. Certainly mistaking my views for something else.

And now I'm accused of being racist for digging into this lady's past. I went to "great lengths", after all. I Googled "Joni Meyer-Crothers soccer coach".

And it turns out, this lady is a good person. She has adopted a number of children in need. I commend her for that.

Not perfect, but who is?

You defended the kid (sarcastically) in this very post. I bolded it.
You're trying to create a false equivalency between the actions of this mother in a completely separate incident vs the constant overwhelming abuse her child suffered at the hands of Mitch Miller.

You're right about the mother- it does seem like it was a poor choice to accost the coach about the decision, and certainly her husband assaulting the coach was wrong. But there's no indication that they continued to assault the coach over a series of years.

Mitch miller on the other hand...

Do you really see these as even remotely comparable situations?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

And this right here is the kind of thing that is wrong with society. Your views don’t match mine on a subject.
You are a racist.

Different political views than me.
You are a racist.

Cannon’s posts haven’t indicated any sort of racism. At all. His posts have been respected, and on subject. Then you post that.

In fact, the post you made is bullying.


Be better.

Very much agreed that Cannon's posts haven't contained racism in any way that I have seen, and wouldn't accuse them of that at all. Disagree on respect level in the posts.

[sureLoss]

UND has removed Miller from their hockey team. He will be allowed to continue as a student there if he wishes.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/spo...ND-hockey-team

UND President Andrew Armacost announced in a letter to campus Friday morning that Mitchell Miller is no longer a part of the UND hockey team.

His letter stated:

"Dear UND Campus Community,

I have been closely monitoring the situation concerning Men’s Hockey student-athlete Mitchell Miller, who was involved in a situation as a youth in 2016. We expect our students to live by our values in the classroom, in the community and when representing the University on the field of play.

After much consideration and discussions with Mitchell, the Miller family, our Athletics Director, Bill Chaves, and Coach Brad Berry, I have decided that the best course of action for Mitchell and the University is that he no longer be a member of the UND Men’s Hockey program. Mitchell may remain a student at UND and we will continue to support his future intellectual and interpersonal growth.

We wish Mitchell well in whatever path he chooses in his future endeavors.

Lastly, I want to thank Coach Berry and Athletics Director Chaves for working with me as we navigated this difficult decision together, and for working with Mitchell and his family.

Sincerely,

Andrew Armacost, president

[cam_wmh]

Oh wow

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Maybe not so much with accusing people of being psychopaths for no apparent reason?

Anyway, seems like this kid's hockey career is over before it began. Apparently some people feel that that's a fair punishment. It seems excessive to me.

[Looch City]

Actions have consequences that will eventually catch up to you.

His life isn't ruined, he has a chance to continue his education and rebuild his character.

[Northendzone]

wow, is this a first time ever something like this has happened?

has the kid stepped in front of a camera at all, or even issued a statement thru someone?

will be interesting to see if his hockey career ever recovers from this (i am not saying it should or should not)

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Maybe not so much with accusing people of being psychopaths for no apparent reason?

Anyway, seems like this kid's hockey career is over before it began. Apparently some people feel that that's a fair punishment. It seems excessive to me.

There are many violent crimes that preclude you working in certain areas, even if you are a youth when you commit them, that said while I can see this kid has been unlucky that his victim outed his abhorrent behavior and complete lack of remorse, sense of personal responsibility or growth I dont feel sorry for him, he hasnt had his life ruined, he's just lost the slim opportunity to play hockey for money, a path that probably contributed to his abhorrent behavior in the first place.

He almost certainly wasnt going to play pro hockey anyway, at least now he might be able to reflect on his choices and become a reasonable human being, something that wouldn't have happened if he had just been allowed to sail through this suffering no real consequences for his clear issue with anger and bigotry.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Maybe not so much with accusing people of being psychopaths for no apparent reason?

Anyway, seems like this kid's hockey career is over before it began. Apparently some people feel that that's a fair punishment. It seems excessive to me.

There's a special place in hell for abusers of people with special needs. There's nothing to change my mind on that, don't care how old you are. Sprinkle the racism on top of that and yeah, not making a couple million playing a kids game is the least that can happen in my books.

[FlamesAddiction]

Does he keep his scholarship I wonder?

I could see him going to Russia. They don't care about that kind of stuff. Brendan Liepsic just signed in Moscow after all.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

wow, is this a first time ever something like this has happened?

has the kid stepped in front of a camera at all, or even issued a statement thru someone?

will be interesting to see if his hockey career ever recovers from this (i am not saying it should or should not)

His hockey career is over. I'd be surprised if he played beer league considering he'd have a bounty on his head ever single night. You reap what you sow.

[Ashasx]

Likely means his scholarship is revoked then?

His life isn't ruined, but if I were in his shoes, I would certainly think it's falling apart.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Maybe not so much with accusing people of being psychopaths for no apparent reason?

Anyway, seems like this kid's hockey career is over before it began. Apparently some people feel that that's a fair punishment. It seems excessive to me.

I don't know whether it's fair or excessive, but looking at it from a broad view:

Miller tortured another human being for half of his entire life, 9 years, both long before and long enough after a conviction for it, which he showed no remorse.

As a result, his chances of having a career playing hockey are greatly diminished, if not removed entirely. But he can still: obtain a university education, get a relatively normal job, and live what most of us would consider a normal life, while continuing to play hockey for fun if he so chooses.

Would anyone enjoy having their winning lottery ticket ripped up in front of them? Of course not, but being relegated to a relatively normal life outside the public eye given his history, does not seem unusual or overly harsh to me.

You don't have to have an exceptionally good history to enjoy exceptionally good outcomes. But having an exceptionally bad one should certainly be expected to hurt those chances significantly.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Maybe not so much with accusing people of being psychopaths for no apparent reason?

Anyway, seems like this kid's hockey career is over before it began. Apparently some people feel that that's a fair punishment. It seems excessive to me.

Miller is free to show remorse and apologize to the kid at any time. This isn’t that hard, and I wouldn’t hire him in any organizational role if I found out he did what he did and refused to apologize.


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