Yup, I built a simple chute, I'll use tongs to drop candies into it down to the kids. We are high risk, but I think I can do it safely enough, and the kids need something this year.
I'm going to use a high pressure air cannon and only hand out those ####ty molasses candies with the orange and black wrappers.
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I was using Newsom as an extreme but when it comes to coronavirus plans there are really 5 options
1. Total lockdown: business close, people can't leave their house.
2. People lockdown: business remain open, people can't leave their house unless for essential things. (South Korea did this)
3. Business lockdown: business are closed, people can go anywhere (Canada and blue states in march)
4. Restricted Business: business open with conditions, people can go anywhere (Canada and blue states today)
5. Open Sesame: Almost normal (Red States almost since day 1)
These are pretty much the options, it's about weighing health risks with economic risks. Biden, I imagine is somewhere between 3 and 4, let the scientists decide and Trump is number 5, we gotta open.
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Is that even possible? Even in Canada it's provincial.
No. The idea is to create federal guidelines for consistency and then try to get as many states as possible to implement them.
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There is no really good covid plan going forward for the States anymore. The best approach is a lock down and mandatory mask use, which takes a big short-term economic hit in exchange for starting recovery sooner. The US already took a big economic hit and is more fragile than ever now, but because they didn't shut down the virus is also going wild. Taking the appropriate course of locking down at this point will be truly devastating for many more people and businesses, but without shutting down the pain is just going to be drawn out longer. Trump has largely restricted the options going forward in a way that is fully counting on the vaccine and makes it harder to deal with the virus effectively without pushing loads more people over the edge into economic disaster.
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The problem is that removing Trump isn't going to fix anything. The lunatics are in control and are driving the bus. And while it is worst on the conservative right (by far), it is also true across the political spectrum that the quality of leadership continues to slide, the quality of discussion continues to deteriorate, and the quality of people in politics continues to fester.
It is difficult to be hopeful or optimistic about politics, going forward.
This is my biggest fear. Trump will be gone in due course but Trumpism will survive. He has set forth a blueprint for future presidents on how much decency, democracy, and the rule of law can be cast aside.
There is no really good covid plan going forward for the States anymore. The best approach is a lock down and mandatory mask use, which takes a big short-term economic hit in exchange for starting recovery sooner. The US already took a big economic hit and is more fragile than ever now, but because they didn't shut down the virus is also going wild. Taking the appropriate course of locking down at this point will be truly devastating for many more people and businesses, but without shutting down the pain is just going to be drawn out longer. Trump has largely restricted the options going forward in a way that is fully counting on the vaccine and makes it harder to deal with the virus effectively without pushing loads more people over the edge into economic disaster.
Has shutdowns really worked anywhere though. Western societies went to option 3 and Canada is seeing record highs this week. And Asia, they lockdown people in buildings, because they can, and that worked but that's pretty tough to see succeeding here without massive protests. Heck people are even protesting masks, let alone locking them in buildings.
I'm getting to the point where it's November soon and we have to start living with this things and be as safe as possible. I've worked everyday of the pandemic in the the office and I was a pro-shutdown person back in March.
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Has shutdowns really worked anywhere though. Western societies went to option 3 and Canada is seeing record highs this week. And Asia, they lockdown people in buildings, because they can, and that worked but that's pretty tough to see succeeding here without massive protests. Heck people are even protesting masks, let alone locking them in buildings.
I'm getting to the point where it's November soon and we have to start living with this things and be as safe as possible. I've worked everyday of the pandemic in the the office and I was a pro-shutdown person back in March.
What happened in March is irrelevant to case levels today, so long as restrictions and guidelines remain different.
It doesn't matter that Canada went to option 3, they left option 3. So saying "well they did this 6 months ago and now they have record highs" is completely meaningless.
And sorry, from day 1 we've been living with this thing, the only thing that has changed is what we deem as "safe as possible."
What happened in March is irrelevant to case levels today, so long as restrictions and guidelines remain different.
It doesn't matter that Canada went to option 3, they left option 3. So saying "well they did this 6 months ago and now they have record highs" is completely meaningless.
And sorry, from day 1 we've been living with this thing, the only thing that has changed is what we deem as "safe as possible."
Sure, I'm actually not that concerned about the record highs because opening up of course the numbers will go up. It's just at what measurement do we go back to option 3 or we move to option 5? or 4.5. It is the R ratio less than or greater than 1? Or this magic vaccine?
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Sure, I'm actually not that concerned about the record highs because opening up of course the numbers will go up. It's just at what measurement do we go back to option 3 or we move to option 5? or 4.5. It is the R ratio less than or greater than 1? Or this magic vaccine?
The Canadian and Albertan governments, at least, have their own measurements to trigger stricter lockdowns, which I believe is tied to hospitalization and ICU. The goal, as it always has been, is to not overwhelm the healthcare system.
As far as blowing the doors off with zero restrictions? Yes, the "magic" vaccine. But I would suggest actually looking into the in development vaccines and how they work, because "magic" isn't part of it.
Until a vaccine arrives, the virus will spread. Herd immunity through exposure is not happening before that time, the only thing you achieve by blowing the doors off and ending all restrictions and recommendations is high death tolls.
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This thread is probably one of the most toxic threads to read. The amount of people bashing trump and promoting sleepy joe is absolutely hilarious. The narrative is pretty clear here in this whole thread, attack everyone who is in support of trump. No wonder so many voters in the states are "silent voters".
Better stay away from twitter and reddit if you think this is bad
I'm surprised this hasn't gone viral. The South Park guys and Peter Serafinowicz teamed up to bring us Sassy Justice!
The Ivanka, Kushner and Zuckerberg bits are hilarious. The deepfakes in this are actually pretty amazing, especially Tom Cruise. Couldn't even tell it wasn't him.
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Sure, I'm actually not that concerned about the record highs because opening up of course the numbers will go up. It's just at what measurement do we go back to option 3 or we move to option 5? or 4.5. It is the R ratio less than or greater than 1? Or this magic vaccine?
I'd think it should be based on hospital beds and ICU capacity. If we get too close to filling those spots we need to up the restrictions. And not once we hit 100% cuz then it's too late. We can see the horrible situations that occur in other countries once hospitals are full and doctors have to choose between 2 Covid sufferers and decided who gets a chance to live. Everything we have done and should be doing is about keeping our hospitals under-capacity.
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This is my biggest fear. Trump will be gone in due course but Trumpism will survive. He has set forth a blueprint for future presidents on how much decency, democracy, and the rule of law can be cast aside.
Trump fluked out one election against a terrible candidate...him getting his ass kicked this time changes a lot. With their aging base the GOP will need to come back to reality if they ever want to win another election. I wouldn't be shocked if Trump ran again in 2024 but I doubt he even gets the nomination. This is gonna be a massive ass kicking IMO.
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The Canadian and Albertan governments, at least, have their own measurements to trigger stricter lockdowns, which I believe is tied to hospitalization and ICU. The goal, as it always has been, is to not overwhelm the healthcare system.
As far as blowing the doors off with zero restrictions? Yes, the "magic" vaccine. But I would suggest actually looking into the in development vaccines and how they work, because "magic" isn't part of it.
Until a vaccine arrives, the virus will spread. Herd immunity through exposure is not happening before that time, the only thing you achieve by blowing the doors off and ending all restrictions and recommendations is high death tolls.
Absolutely. Vaccine research is very complicated and time consuming with the proper testing. Trump calls it the magic vaccine because he's an idiot. This is where Biden wins because he will allow the testing to happen at a proper pace while keeping an eye on the restrictions, rather than let's open and the vaccine will come tomorrow (everyday saying tomorrow).
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