[Signing] Flames sign Chris Tanev (4 years, $4.5 million AAV)

[blankall]

C'mon people. I loved Brodie just as much as anyone. But let's not pretend that his game wasn't also wildly inconsistent. He looked totally lost for many stretches at at time. His game was dependent on being tied to a good defensive partner. When he was on, he was a legit #2. But that didn't happen every night. People were constantly giving him breaks for various personal issues in his life, but he seemed to be constantly going through some kind of major crisis and re-evaluation of his life.

Overall, he was a great skater with great positioning, but his hockey IQ never progressed to the point that he was consistently making the kinds of on ice decision that top pairing veteran d-men should be making.

My only concern with Tanev over Brodie is injuries.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by blankall

C'mon people. I loved Brodie just as much as anyone. But let's not pretend that his game wasn't also wildly inconsistent. He looked totally lost for many stretches at at time. His game was dependent on being tied to a good defensive partner. When he was on, he was a legit #2. But that didn't happen every night. People were constantly giving him breaks for various personal issues in his life, but he seemed to be constantly going through some kind of major crisis and re-evaluation of his life.

Overall, he was a great skater with great positioning, but his hockey IQ never progressed to the point that he was consistently making the kinds of on ice decision that top pairing veteran d-men should be making.

My only concern with Tanev over Brodie is injuries.

I don't agree with all of those comments, but I agree that his style of play was more high risk, high reward.

Tanev will be a more stable presence, for sure. And for the current Flames roster and style, I think that is definitely a good thing.

[SuperMatt18]

Athletic just mentioned in an article that Giordano personally reached out to Tanev to make the pitch to come to Calgary and that the two work out together in the offseason.

So the captain played a role in this signing for sure, and I wonder if they do end up paired together.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Athletic just mentioned in an article that Giordano personally reached out to Tanev to make the pitch to come to Calgary and that the two work out together in the offseason.

So the captain played a role in this signing for sure, and I wonder if they do end up paired together.

Here's the link: https://theathletic.com/2138908/2020...at-comes-next/

It also talked about how Vancouver originally offered 2x$4M and later increased it (after not getting OEL); Calgary also increased their offer and then got Tanev to sign by adding a fourth year.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

It also talked about how Vancouver originally offered 2x$4M and later increased it (after not getting OEL); Calgary also increased their offer and then got Tanev to sign by adding a fourth year.

At the end of the day, the Canucks were never willing to commit to either Tanev or Markstrom in a way that made either player feel wanted. Tanev especially, after being ignored during the OEL debacle.

With that being said, I am glad we signed neither deal. While they make sense for the Flames, they do not make sense for the Canucks.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

At the end of the day, the Canucks were never willing to commit to either Tanev or Markstrom in a way that made either player feel wanted. Tanev especially, after being ignored during the OEL debacle.

With that being said, I am glad we signed neither deal. While they make sense for the Flames, they do not make sense for the Canucks.

I bet this won't age well concerning Markstrom...Canucks are going to have average to poor goal tending and it likely costs them playoffs. Also, if they were going to go with Demko they should have traded Markstrom. The expansion draft is not new.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

At the end of the day, the Canucks were never willing to commit to either Tanev or Markstrom in a way that made either player feel wanted. Tanev especially, after being ignored during the OEL debacle.

With that being said, I am glad we signed neither deal. While they make sense for the Flames, they do not make sense for the Canucks.

It may work out for the Canucks and it may not. As much as we laugh at the Oilers for bringing back Mike Smith, Holtby had worse stats last season and hasn't have a SV% near .915 since 2017. Is Demko going to be good enough to cover for Holtby if he struggles? Are the Canucks good enough defensively to overcome below average NHL goaltending? That will be determined. I definitely think Green will have to adjust how they play as they are going to have to have to have more commitment to a defensive game.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It may work out for the Canucks and it may not. As much as we laugh at the Oilers for bringing back Mike Smith, Holtby had worse stats last season and hasn't have a SV% near .915 since 2017. Is Demko going to be good enough to cover for Holtby if he struggles? Are the Canucks good enough defensively to overcome below average NHL goaltending? That will be determined. I definitely think Green will have to adjust how they play as they are going to have to have to have more commitment to a defensive game.

The team was incredibly committed defensively last season. They're just not very good at it. I am not overly concerned about Holtby. The team obviously wasn't either. He's excited to work with Clark. Clark says there is some gas left in Holtby. And even if there isn't, it's two years to bridge into a full load for Demko.

The real truth is, next year is definitely looking primed for a step back, much like the Flames, Avs, Oilers and Leafs after their punching up seasons. It's a shame, but the flat cap really took all the wind out of the sails for re-signing any of our UFAs. Two seasons from now and the year after are when we're going to really have to make hay. We'll also find out if we've drafted as well as we think in later rounds, since that's going to be a major driver on whether we're a contender or not. If guys like Rathbone or Hoglander don't develop it really doesn't matter much.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

On 960 they spoke of Tanev as a hamonic replacement, if thats the case i like it. Hopefully Seattle takes him lol, but i still like it

Brian Burke was on the FAN, and said 31 of 31 GMs would take Tanev over Hamonic; Tanev is way better than Hamonic. Also said Tanev was key in mentoring Hughes, and will do the same for the Flames young D

[Underdog]

I first thought all the talk of trading Hanifin was crazy and would hurt our D without him in our top 4. But the more I hear about Tanev and how he plays and what he did with Hughes, it make sense to pair him with Valimaki.

We didn't sign Tanev to be a 5th/6th guy, he has to be in our top 4. So if Andersen is gonna play with Gio that makes Hanifin the odd man out, and since we're not paying him as a 5th/6th either, he could be used to swap for an impact forward.

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by Underdog

I first thought all the talk of trading Hanifin was crazy and would hurt our D without him in our top 4. But the more I hear about Tanev and how he plays and what he did with Hughes, it make sense to pair him with Valimaki.

We didn't sign Tanev to be a 5th/6th guy, he has to be in our top 4. So if Andersen is gonna play with Gio that makes Hanifin the odd man out, and since we're not paying him as a 5th/6th either, he could be used to swap for an impact forward.

I'm as high on Valimaki as anyone, but let's see if the guy can handle top 4 mins before shipping out guys that have proven capable.

The hope is that Hanifin will eventually be surpassed by Valimaki, but that is a ways away yet. Hanifin/Valimaki are my top 2 LHD's going forward, Giordano is the odd man out for me.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

I'm as high on Valimaki as anyone, but let's see if the guy can handle top 4 mins before shipping out guys that have proven capable.

The hope is that Hanifin will eventually be surpassed by Valimaki, but that is a ways away yet. Hanifin/Valimaki are my top 2 LHD's going forward, Giordano is the odd man out for me.

Everything that’s happened this offseason leads me to believe the brain trust is incredibly high on how good Valimaki is right now and in the future. Time will tell if they are right but I think BT is willing to make a massive gamble that he is a good NHL player this year

If Valimaki doesn’t step in and play well then we are a worse team than last year everywhere except in goal which wasn’t the issue anyways

[Futzee]

I liked Brodie because he had been around forever and felt like family but I hated that my measure of a good Brodie game was one where I didn't once say 'God Damn Brodie!?!?!' after an awful turnover.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Futzee

Thank god. When/how do we find out if Lucic agrees to renegotiate his NMC so we can hopefully not protect him. It would be such a jerk move for him not to and cost us one of his young teammates. He knows he isn't going to Seattle anyway.

It will be reported when the Flames submit their protected list to the NHL and the media gets a hold of the list.

[ricardodw]

By the numbers: Grading every NHL team’s contract efficiency, 2020 edition

By By Dom Luszczyszyn Nov 6, 2020

This article has the Tanev contract as slightly better than Lucic's contact . Not an easily understandable methodology but it has Lucic ass being -14.9 M and Tanev being -12.6 M

My best guess is that Mr. Luszczyszyn's model figures that Tanev is worth 5.4 million over the 4 years or 1.3 M / year. Which is what Hamonic would likely be looking at should someone want to sign him.

For comparison they have Brodie as a C+ contact for his 5M x 4 year with the first 2 years being better value than 5M and the last 2 less than 5M. net overpayment of 800 K over 4 years.


If I have violated any pay-wall rules I apologize and wait to moderators to delete this post .

[Bingo]

^
I worry about year four of the Tanev deal too ... so I won't throw any shade on that summary or calculation.

It's interesting though. He has 8 of the best 10 contracts in the league going to forwards, and 8 of his top 10 worst contracts going to defenseman, so there is something in his model that doesn't appear to value defensemen, and specifically defenseman that are stay at home in nature.

Additionally he's from Toronto, and all his models have always seemed to tweak towards the Leafs ... be it in their projection of chances to win the cup, or in his ranking of players or contracts.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

^
I worry about year four of the Tanev deal too ... so I won't throw any shade on that summary or calculation.

It's interesting though. He has 8 of the best 10 contracts in the league going to forwards, and 8 of his top 10 worst contracts going to defenseman, so there is something in his model that doesn't appear to value defensemen, and specifically defenseman that are stay at home in nature.

Additionally he's from Toronto, and all his models have always seemed to tweak towards the Leafs ... be it in their projection of chances to win the cup, or in his ranking of players or contracts.

He has Gio as being worth 5.8 M more than his 6.75 x 2 or worth something like 9.5 X 2... His model shows that Gio is going to contend for the Norris the next couple of years.... Maybe because Gio is from Toronto ??


On the flip side he has Ryan Suter (dirty American) a year and half younger than Gio coming off a slightly better statistical season than Gio is not worth his 7.5 M in any future year and only worth 5.4 M / year for the last 5 year of his contract.

[Heavy Jack]

I’m sorry but in no world is Gio worth more than Pietrangelo is per season over the next two seasons... and I’m a big Gio fan.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

He has Gio as being worth 5.8 M more than his 6.75 x 2 or worth something like 9.5 X 2... His model shows that Gio is going to contend for the Norris the next couple of years.... Maybe because Gio is from Toronto ??


On the flip side he has Ryan Suter (dirty American) a year and half younger than Gio coming off a slightly better statistical season than Gio is not worth his 7.5 M in any future year and only worth 5.4 M / year for the last 5 year of his contract.

What you refer to as a slightly better statistical season looks at production in general. When you consider stats like Corsi, Fenwick, or whatever his model is based on Gio comes in ahead. Bingo's point was that the stats that the model relies on could be less favorable to defenseman(especially stay at home defenseman). As I am sure you are well aware more often than not stats are chosen/manipulated to fit an argument, and not the other way around.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

He has Gio as being worth 5.8 M more than his 6.75 x 2 or worth something like 9.5 X 2... His model shows that Gio is going to contend for the Norris the next couple of years.... Maybe because Gio is from Toronto ??


On the flip side he has Ryan Suter (dirty American) a year and half younger than Gio coming off a slightly better statistical season than Gio is not worth his 7.5 M in any future year and only worth 5.4 M / year for the last 5 year of his contract.

Not sure if the Gio from Toronto thing was meant as a dig at me ... but all Dom says about Giordano is "Mark Giordano can still bring the heat", nothing about winning the Norris. Nor would a contract grade result in a Norris pick, so you're just making that up.

Beyond that Giordano makes almost a million less than Suter, so that would factor in, has had elite seasons more recently.