[Trade] Vegas trades Schmidt to Vancouver for a 2022 3rd

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

What a stretch. Can't wait until mid-January when the Canucks are out of playoff contention, so all the Canuck fans on here will disappear back into their holes in Scurvy.

What was the stretch?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by V H F

Ummm...in what world is a streaky 2nd line winger, a #5 dman plus a 3rd rnd pick (with a small % chance of becoming an regular regular) more valuable than a #2 Dman with a reasonable contract with 5 years left?

Look, Toffolli is a good winger, but he and Stetcher could be fairly easily replaced . Top pairing dmen don't exactly grow on trees.

Easily to replace Toffolli? with who? Plus the cap space is spent

Top pairing dman maybe...5x5.95 and a NTC isn't an insignificant contract

[Ped]

Schmidt would be an excellent addition in a vacuum, especially for a third. He's a very good blueliner and both the analytics and the eye test back that up. However, Benning operates in a world he created. So Schmidt, with Beagle and Roussel and Baertschi and Sutter and Myers and Eriksson, means trouble.


Markstrom and Tanev and Toffoli and Stecher out and Schmidt in. That's a very bad tradeoff.

[Juggernaught]

Markstrom and Tanev and Toffoli and Stecher out and Schmidt in. That's a very bad tradeoff.

Holtby is also in and nobody said this was opening day yet. Plenty of things can happen between now and then. For now I think most agree getting Schmidt for a 2022 third is a deal anyone would make.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Juggernaught

Holtby is also in and nobody said this was opening day yet. Plenty of things can happen between now and then. For now I think most agree getting Schmidt for a 2022 third is a deal anyone would make.

Holtby is yet another bad contract on the Canucks. They are probably already hoping Seattle takes him lol

[ricardodw]

Gio- Tanev
Hanifin-Andersson

Hughes-Myers
Schmidt-Elder

Demko

Tkachuk Backlund- Mangipane
Gaudreau- Monahan - Lindholm

Petterson-Miller-Boeser
Horvat-Pearson-Virtanen

Markstrom

So the Flames might be better Gio plays as well as he did in the 2019-20 pre-covid

And Demko's play at the end of the playoffs where he took over from Markstrom was a fluke and Markstroms 3 out of the last 4 games in front of the same team was not indicative of his play.


Had Rittich played the last 3 playoff games the same way as Demko finished the Flames likely would not have signed Markstrom to a 6x6.

Demko was likely going to be given a chance to be #1 in Vancouver if Markstrom had another year on his contract.

Last season Rittich started more games than Markstrom.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

What was the stretch?

hmmm i don't know....

How about if the Canucks played every single game in the past 5 years without a goalie, they would have had McDavid, Matthews, Hischier, Dahlin, and Jack Hughes.

Dim Benning is Dim Benning.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Holtby is yet another bad contract on the Canucks. They are probably already hoping Seattle takes him lol

Holtby is coming off a 25-14-6 season .... and is likely not going start 50% of the games. Markstrom is coming off a 23-16-4

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

hmmm i don't know....

How about if the Canucks played every single game in the past 5 years without a goalie, they would have had McDavid, Matthews, Hischier, Dahlin, and Jack Hughes.

Dim Benning is Dim Benning.

You're acting like I made a reasoned case for Benning

I literally said he falls backwards into things, and that he's homer Simpson

Those aren't things you say when praising someone's plans

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

hmmm i don't know....

How about if the Canucks played every single game in the past 5 years without a goalie, they would have had McDavid, Matthews, Hischier, Dahlin, and Jack Hughes.

Dim Benning is Dim Benning.

I mean, yeah? Playing without a goalie would be a colossal mistake? Especially for every game for five years? What kind of game plan would that be?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Holtby is coming off a 25-14-6 season .... and is likely not going start 50% of the games. Markstrom is coming off a 23-16-4

3.11, .897 tells me Washington won those games on goalscoring, not goaltending.

Markstrom was 2.75, .912 behind a fairly mediocre defensive team. I'd say he was responsible for a lot more wins than Holtby.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I suspect Schmidt's analytics will decline this season in Vancouver Vs. playing in Vegas

5.95X5 and a 3rd rounder
Vs.
4.5x4

A lot of Apples and oranges, every deal needs to be treated like Tre passed on it for some reason

The guy has a M-NTC too, likely wasn't even an option

Lol

[Enoch Root]

lol to what?

Schmidt is $6M for the next 5 years. And his abilities are going to be put under a lot more stress in Van than they were in Vegas. He's a good player, but he isn't some great bargain at $6M.

[Futzee]

If you have your pick of either 30 yr old Marsktrom NTC at 6x$6 or 29 yr old Schmidt NTC at 5x$6 who would prefer? I prefer cap space to long term deals right now but if I had to pick I'd go with the #1 goalie.

[activeStick]

Lol at some people completely scrambling all over themselves to justify that giving up a 3rd Round Pick for a 2/3 defenseman might end up some day being a bad deal. Benning fell into this deal out of complete luck, I agree with that. But a 3rd Round Pick for this is a good deal.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Futzee

If you have your pick of either 30 yr old Marsktrom NTC at 6x$6 or 29 yr old Schmidt NTC at 5x$6 who would prefer? I prefer cap space to long term deals right now but if I had to pick I'd go with the #1 goalie.

The goalie for sure, no contest.

If I have cap space, I know I can get another defenseman. But getting a great goalie? You never know. And you don't realize just how valuable they are until you don't have one.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Lol at some people completely scrambling all over themselves to justify that giving up a 3rd Round Pick for a 2/3 defenseman might end up some day being a bad deal. Benning fell into this deal out of complete luck, I agree with that. But a 3rd Round Pick for this is a good deal.

Is there a single lost in this thread saying it's a bad deal?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Lol at some people completely scrambling all over themselves to justify that giving up a 3rd Round Pick for a 2/3 defenseman might end up some day being a bad deal. Benning fell into this deal out of complete luck, I agree with that. But a 3rd Round Pick for this is a good deal.

Lol yourself...I never said it was bad

Canucks are a bubble team that lost a lot of talent including their MVP by far. Adding one good dman that has them capped out doesn't even get them back to where they were IMO.

I also said Tanev is less years, less money, no draft pick...and that the Flames didn't have 5x6M to spend and Schmidt had a NTC so it likely wasn't an option for Calgary anyway.

[Futzee]

I think it's a bad deal. Just because you're taking on a NMC and costing yourself some asset in the Seattle draft. I'd only take on big contracts with NMC right now if I thought it gave me a good chance to go deep next year. I don't think Vancouver is there. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Is there a single lost in this thread saying it's a bad deal?

Pretty much every post is saying dammit lol.

I think the only posts that are somewhat defensive are Tanev vs Schmidt comparisons.

I think I would have rather had Schmidt than Tanev, oh well.