Treliving blew that. Basically told Brodie he wasn’t a priority for the Flames and maybe even showed he has trouble multi tasking.
The Flames may have gotten better in net but they have not gotten better elsewhere. This is a big loss. Gio is in the Norris conversation when paired with Brodie.
I expect they will miss Brodie a lot. Toronto got a great player on a great deal.
I could understand this view if they didn’t land Markstrom
But he identified his priority and got him
Hard to fault that
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I could understand this view if they didn’t land Markstrom
But he identified his priority and got him
Hard to fault that
Brad has been trying to lang a 1a goalie for years, there is just no way he was going to let this one slip by! If there is one ingredient we need to get to the big show it starts between the pipes!!
Brad’s # 1 priority before the start of UFA was to sign Brodie.
They negotiated, probably weeks before the UFA period commenced, with Tre presenting their best offer before UFA period started. TJ declined and chose to test the market and got the offer he wanted, possibly from the team he wanted and signed.
Tre moved on and successfully closed the deal with Markstrom.
Why such a kerfuffle? That’s business.
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There wasn't really room for another Brodie type D in Calgary's system, all of a sudden the Flames have a plethora of young defensemen...
Juuso Välimäki, Rasmus Andersson, and Connor Mackey are the future (maybe Noah Hanifin & Oliver Kylington too?) who will have the luxury of being mentored by Mark Giordano and Chris Tanev - who's shot blocking, leadership and physicality is needed more than what TJ had to offer.
During these next few seasons we will come to be familiar with the rest of our great young D platoon, Yan Kuznetsov, Jérémie Poirier, Ilya Solovyov, Alexander Yelesin, Carl-Johan Lerby, Johannes Kinnvall, Colton Poolman and Jake Boltmann.
I could understand this view if they didn’t land Markstrom
But he identified his priority and got him
Hard to fault that
Well, no. If they don’t get Markstrom it is obviously an outright disaster. We agree on that
What I was saying was that you have to be able to lay out the construct for 2 deals and be able to work them simultaneously. Lots of adults have jobs where they need to close multiple contracts for quarter end, for example
It is inexcusable to put everything else on hold to focus on one deal, especially during day 1 of UFA. That is how Steinberg reported it
Perhaps Conroy could have been able to stay engaged with Brodie’s camp, with known parameters within which they can work
I view this as a partial failure. He tossed out Brodie and that stinks
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Well, no. If they don’t get Markstrom it is obviously an outright disaster. We agree on that
What I was saying was that you have to be able to lay out the construct for 2 deals and be able to work them simultaneously. Lots of adults have jobs where they need to close multiple contracts for quarter end, for example
It is inexcusable to put everything else on hold to focus on one deal, especially during day 1 of UFA. That is how Steinberg reported it
Perhaps Conroy could have been able to stay engaged with Brodie’s camp, with known parameters within which they can work
I view this as a partial failure. He tossed out Brodie and that stinks
I wouldn't get so bent outta shape about a tweet
like others have said it seems obvious the writing was on the wall...seems like the guy wanted to go to the Leafs. Those comments just seem like both parties being polite and not closing the door which is smart.
Flames likely made their best offer to Brodie before he got to UFA...obviously it wasn't enough. What else was there to discuss?
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Against Winnipeg Talbot was great, and maybe our MVP.
Against Dallas, he was good-great overall with some really rough moments. while the team didn't defend well enough as well.
Game 1: 2 stoppable goals from far out, the 2nd especially was awful. Flames win anyways.
Game 2: .861 from Talbot. Mostly not his fault, a couple rebounds he'd maybe like back but the 3rd Dallas goal was a terrible shortside shot from the boards.
Game 3: Shutout.
Game 4: 5 against again, but probably only the 1st goal was on Talbot as a bad rebound goal while swimming.
Game 5: Great overall, except the winner was one he'd like back from the point.
Game 6: Yeah...
Hard not to think Markstrom in for Talbot gets us another win or 2 with nothing else different.
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^ maybe. Goaltending doesn’t make the 5 skaters better. Dallas was better under pressure. Flames couldn’t think straight guy enough to freeze a puck on the boards late in the game
I prefer the Chi / Det / Pitt (Crawford / Osgood / whichever goalie Pitt plays) model of solid goalie behind good skaters.
Not the Flames model of late, where the skaters generally get outplayed
Downgrading from a mobile D to a stay at home D and switching out the goalie doesn’t fix the problems that ended the season last year, in my opinion
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^^I have to agree. It’s all about goalies in the playoffs. No way Tampa Bay wins the cup with out Vasilevski. Dallas went as far as Khobodin took them, he was better then Lehner and all the other goalies.
Elliot.
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Treliving blew that. Basically told Brodie he wasn’t a priority for the Flames and maybe even showed he has trouble multi tasking.
The Flames may have gotten better in net but they have not gotten better elsewhere. This is a big loss. Gio is in the Norris conversation when paired with Brodie.
I expect they will miss Brodie a lot. Toronto got a great player on a great deal.
Brodie wanted a NMC and got it from Toronto
Unless you think exposing one of our young Dman in Hanifin(23) Andersson(23) or Valimaki(22) to Seattle to protect a 30 year old a good move.....then Treliving didn't blow anything.
People somehow forget Brodie was a whipping boy for 2 years and was terrible at times, giving him a NMC would have been epic mismanagement for this team with the expansion draft coming up.
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^ maybe. Goaltending doesn’t make the 5 skaters better. Dallas was better under pressure. Flames couldn’t think straight guy enough to freeze a puck on the boards late in the game
I prefer the Chi / Det / Pitt (Crawford / Osgood / whichever goalie Pitt plays) model of solid goalie behind good skaters.
Not the Flames model of late, where the skaters generally get outplayed
Downgrading from a mobile D to a stay at home D and switching out the goalie doesn’t fix the problems that ended the season last year, in my opinion
Tanev can skate...really well
I am starting to wonder if some of you even know who Tanev is...yes his strength is defence but he isn't big and slow the guy skates really well
Sorry I don't know how to do this properly, guy is certainly mobile
I don't see why people are so bent out of shape about losing Brodie. Yes, he was a great skater and could make some great passes, but he was also a gaffe machine in his own end. People seem to forget he single handedly lost the Flames 8-10 games a couple seasons ago with Three Mile Island level brain meltdowns that led directly to game winners against. Brodie was a great complimentary player to Giordano, but was lost with out Giordano. I wish Brodie luck, but I think he becomes a whipping boy in Toronto in short order, just like he did here, because his positives don't make up for his negatives out there. I also believe the Flames have an internal replacement for Brodie in Kylington (almost identical skillset) which made the decision to move on that much easier. I think Kylington is caught in the exact same situation Brodie was when he was waiting to make the jump to become a permanent fixture on the blueline. I don't think Brodie will be all that missed in the long run. If we miss anything at the moment, it is depth back there and at forward. But Treliving has painted himself into a corner with the cap and we're stuck with what we have.
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Kylington looks like a 7th dman at this point, 5 years after his draft. I think pegging him as a Brodie replacement or whatever is probably unfair to him really. Kylington probably doesn't even get to 250 nhl games before going to Russia eventually. Andersson is the guy who is actually Brodie's replacement. Tanev replaces Hamonic. Kylington is depth and the only reason people give him a pass is his age imo. I find him absolutely terrifying out there, I could only imagine how exposed he would be in the top 4. Brodie was improving constantly when he was 22-23 Not really seeing that with Oliver so far. It's getting to #### or get off the pot time for OK. Needs to show something soon that helps the Flames win in order to justify him being here at all.
I guess you don’t remember when Brodie broke in. The exact same things were said about him. People were terrified when he took the ice because he couldn’t play defense. Same problem plagued him until he became Giordano’s shadow. Brodie’s biggest advantage is his skating. Brodie’s biggest weakness is his defensive decision making. Kylington is in the same boat. Except Kylington is the better skater and better offensive tools. Kylington’s problem has been finding him a veteran shadow. With Brodie gone, maybe he finds one in Giordano.
I remember Brodie just fine. Maybe I'm being too generous with him because I like him, but you are being too harsh imo. Brodie was looked at as a top prospect for us pretty much as soon as he played his first pro season. Oliver is just sort of 'there'. He's not as good as TJ Brodie was at his age. I look at his ceiling as a better skating, worse version of Kulak.
