26 players file for salary arbitration.

[1_Flames_Fan]

2.65 x 2 year deal. Get er done Tre!

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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I have a suspicion that Ryan Pulock (Isles), MacKenzie Weegar (Panthers), and Jake Virtanen (Canucks) will be traded after the arbitrator rules or they sign their deal. I think the player no longer fits the team's plans long term and they won't want to pay those dollars.

Pulock was the Isles #1 Dman this year. More likely they extend him long term IMO.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Pulock was the Isles #1 Dman this year. More likely they extend him long term IMO.

Maybe. Like I said it was a hunch. They have some good young d-men ready to step in, so if the awarded salary is too high, I could see them moving him.

Again, nothing other than a hunch I have.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Then I don't agree. Too much risk. You don't give out long-term deals based on 1 decent season.

I agree with you to an extent. It worked out pretty well with Andersson. I think Mangiapane has the potential to out-perform a decently priced long-term deal

How long until Mangiapane is a UFA?

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Kidder

I did hear on TSN that the arbitrators will not take into account lost revenue from Covid or anything like that on their rulings.

Which should be the right thing to do, given that escrow would technically already account for it.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Wood

I agree with you to an extent. It worked out pretty well with Andersson. I think Mangiapane has the potential to out-perform a decently priced long-term deal

How long until Mangiapane is a UFA?

3 years. I think 2x2.5 would be ideal. If he proves he is a top 6 forward, then you give him 4-5 years.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Then I don't agree. Too much risk. You don't give out long-term deals based on 1 decent season.

There is risk both ways. Last year we asked him to show and prove rather than giving him say a 3-year deal and it looks like it's going to bite us in the butt. We just lost out on a couple bargain years when we probably could have locked him up for under 2 million. If we do the same thing again, and he produces were in the same boat. It's a tough call. It can go both ways. He had 17 goals this year in a shortened season with no power play goals. This was his first full season. It is early to say exactly what he is but like I said there is risk both ways.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Then I don't agree. Too much risk. You don't give out long-term deals based on 1 decent season.

Signing a young player to a long term deal is the kind of high variance move that the team should take. You just need to bet on the right player.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

3 years. I think 2x2.5 would be ideal. If he proves he is a top 6 forward, then you give him 4-5 years.

Yeah I hope for the same, I'd like to see more from Mangiapane

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Signing a young player to a long term deal is the kind of high variance move that the team should take. You just need to bet on the right player.

Roman Josi’s previous contract is a good example of this. It ended up being the best contracts of the 2010s for someone who was not a top draft pick.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Signing a young player to a long term deal is the kind of high variance move that the team should take. You just need to bet on the right player.

And I don't think Mangiapane is the guy to do that with. How many times have we seen guys play with Backlund and then never reach those heights again? Mangiapane has never produced without top 6 forwards on his line.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

And I don't think Mangiapane is the guy to do that with. How many times have we seen guys play with Backlund and then never reach those heights again? Mangiapane has never produced without top 6 forwards on his line.

He scored a ton in the AHL. I don’t believe he’s Backlund dependent and IMO his NHL career is too short to make that conclusion.

I’d bet on him.

[Snuffleupagus]

With 17 goals and top six minutes played I can see an Arb giving Andrew $3+ m

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

He scored a ton in the AHL. I don’t believe he’s Backlund dependent and IMO his NHL career is too short to make that conclusion.

I’d bet on him.

Lots of players score a ton in the AHL

I'm not making a conclusion, I am saying that increases the risk that he might not be the player we think and thus I wouldn't give him a long term contract yet. I have no problem with gambling on Andersson, if Valimaki has a strong year, I'd be willing to gamble on him too. Mangiapane has enough flaws in his game and doesn't project to be a star, so I wouldn't take the risk, that's how you get a Viktor Rask contract

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Lots of players score a ton in the AHL

I'm not making a conclusion, I am saying that increases the risk that he might not be the player we think and thus I wouldn't give him a long term contract yet. I have no problem with gambling on Andersson, if Valimaki has a strong year, I'd be willing to gamble on him too. Mangiapane has enough flaws in his game and doesn't project to be a star, so I wouldn't take the risk, that's how you get a Viktor Rask contract

I think Mangiapane was scoring alright in a 4th line role before Backlund. In addition his line was pushing play and had amazing advanced stats over the last two seasons. Also, if I am not mistaken most of Mangiapane's offense came at 5 on 5 which was a huge bonus for the team. I think he can be even more of a factor with an increased roll and more PP time.

[868904]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I think Mangiapane was scoring alright in a 4th line role before Backlund. In addition his line was pushing play and had amazing advanced stats over the last two seasons. Also, if I am not mistaken most of Mangiapane's offense came at 5 on 5 which was a huge bonus for the team. I think he can be even more of a factor with an increased roll and more PP time.

Mangiapane was playing well on a line with Ryan and Lucic before he was promoted to 3M when Frolik was failing.

Ryan kind of lost his line after that and never found a new one and seems like the odd man out now.

But if they do plan to play cheap youngsters on the 4th line, there’s no better vet than Ryan to put them with.

I’d even consider moving Ryan up with Monahan and Gaudreau and moving Lindholm to centre Tkachuk and have Backlund and Mangiapane form their own line. This would really spread out the scoring and mitigate any weaknesses in the 11th and 12th forwards.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

3 years. I think 2x2.5 would be ideal. If he proves he is a top 6 forward, then you give him 4-5 years.

If he would sign for 2x2.25 it would have been done.

He wouldn’t sign a 1 yeR deal for that.

It will start with a 3.


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[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Lots of players score a ton in the AHL

I'm not making a conclusion, I am saying that increases the risk that he might not be the player we think and thus I wouldn't give him a long term contract yet. I have no problem with gambling on Andersson, if Valimaki has a strong year, I'd be willing to gamble on him too. Mangiapane has enough flaws in his game and doesn't project to be a star, so I wouldn't take the risk, that's how you get a Viktor Rask contract

Rask is an interesting comparison. Mangiapane has outperformed him in both the NHL and AHL and has shown the progression you want to see. Lock him up.

[GGG]

How about 8 x 2.75 or something. Guarantee him a lifetime of money and absorb the risk that he doesn’t pan out.

[gvitaly]

Mangiapane was playing well on a line with Ryan and Lucic before he was promoted to 3M when Frolik was failing.

Ryan kind of lost his line after that and never found a new one and seems like the odd man out now.

But if they do plan to play cheap youngsters on the 4th line, there’s no better vet than Ryan to put them with.

I’d even consider moving Ryan up with Monahan and Gaudreau and moving Lindholm to centre Tkachuk and have Backlund and Mangiapane form their own line. This would really spread out the scoring and mitigate any weaknesses in the 11th and 12th forwards.

I meant when he played with Ryan and Hathaway, they also had good success as a line. Over the last two seasons, Mangiapane seemed to make whichever line he was on better.