[Signing] Flames sign Chris Tanev (4 years, $4.5 million AAV)

[Red]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Fair enough. Anyone you think would be a good fit on the top line?

Ideally a large and truculent C or LW to replace one of the current C or LW. Not an easy feat.
Hall swap for Johnny would do.

[theinfinitejar]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Agreed, analytics have not found a good way to judge the value of defensive defensemen.

Was Chris Tanev not a defensive defenseman when his analytics were good?

[Blaster86]

God damn.

There is some ####ing vitriol to Tanev here that people will regret real fast. Guy is a ####ing warrior and plays the right way. The pining for Brodie and Harmonic I've seen is a joke. Tanev is way more of what the Flames need than those two clowns

[SuperMatt18]

It’s more about the term, age, and trajectory of Tanev.

Arizona is desperate to shed salary - why not try to see if they will give you something to take Hjalmarsson or Demers off their hands?

Tampa is in a tight cap crunch...maybe you can pry a young RFA like Cernak away from them or even try an offer sheet ($4.3M would cost a 2nd and Tampa can’t afford that)

Even just budget options for a guy like Ceci might not be a huge downgrade at this stage of Tanev’s career.

Giving 4 years and $4.5M to a 31 year old injury prone dman that is on a downward trajectory just never seems like a good move.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

God damn.

There is some ####ing vitriol to Tanev here that people will regret real fast. Guy is a ####ing warrior and plays the right way. The pining for Brodie and Harmonic I've seen is a joke. Tanev is way more of what the Flames need than those two clowns

Thanking your posts twice in one day...going to take a shower


And FFS CP Brodie is the same age

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

God damn.

There is some ####ing vitriol to Tanev here that people will regret real fast. Guy is a ####ing warrior and plays the right way. The pining for Brodie and Harmonic I've seen is a joke. Tanev is way more of what the Flames need than those two clowns

I agree. I think he will end up being like an Engelland who we fall in love with for all the little things he does.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

Brodie is the better hockey player. Somehow, the Flames need someone like Tanev more.

Because the Flames went out and signed Tanev while Brodie was on the market, right?

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

Was Chris Tanev not a defensive defenseman when his analytics were good?

I don't think they have ever been good.

[ben voyonsdonc]

I honestly don’t think the Flames were going anywhere fast with Brodie at 5+ mil for the next four years. I really like TJ and I wish him well. However, we do need to make some changes on D and while I’m not sure I’m a big fan of the term, I’m hopeful that Tanev can bring elements to the game Brodie couldn’t that can help us get over the hump in the next couple of years.

I expect we’ve got two more years left in our current window (Gaudreau, Gio, and Tkachuk’s contracts end) before we start to restructure the team significantly so we might not really care that much about Tanev’s cap hit at that point. We’ll likely have a couple of rebuilding years where we won’t be up against the cap. It could be good to have Tanev on the roster at that point for some leadership and mentoring.

[FlamesAddiction]

I get the sense that some of the dislike for this signing is that some people see it as the Flames choosing to let Brodie go in favour of Tavev.

I don't think that is fair to Tanev. He chose Calgary afterall, Brodie didn't.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Because the Flames went out and signed Tanev while Brodie was on the market, right?

I'm saying Brodie is the better player, but Tanev fills a gap more than Brodie does.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If Tre traded Talbot and Brodie for Markstrom and Tanev at the deadline we would have been erecting statues of a him (and that wouldn't be the only thing erect)

that is basically what happened today

This is fair. You’re taking a slightly higher AAV hit and some term on Markstrom.
But more I think about it, you’re ahead on balance in terms of ability.

But now you’ve got to think about your injury risk on the back end with Tanev and Valimaki. I’m leaning toward thinking it’s a risk worth taking before paying for another veteran. You know Treliving will do another defenseman rental at the deadline anyway.

Bigger question is whether you have the forwards you can win with. That is what most people were focused on after the season and needing to shake up the core.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

I'm saying Brodie is the better player, but Tanev fills a gap more than Brodie does.

Sorry, I took your post as sarcasm.

[theinfinitejar]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

God damn.

There is some ####ing vitriol to Tanev here that people will regret real fast. Guy is a ####ing warrior and plays the right way. The pining for Brodie and Harmonic I've seen is a joke. Tanev is way more of what the Flames need than those two clowns

Chris Tanev was a great defencemen for years and I think can still contribute in the right situation. But this signing is a mistake. It's too much money and too much term for a guy trending the wrong way and the Flames are going to regret it.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It’s more about the term, age, and trajectory of Tanev.

Arizona is desperate to shed salary - why not try to see if they will give you something to take Hjalmarsson or Demers off their hands?

Tampa is in a tight cap crunch...maybe you can pry a young RFA like Cernak away from them or even try an offer sheet ($4.3M would cost a 2nd and Tampa can’t afford that)

Even just budget options for a guy like Ceci might not be a huge downgrade at this stage of Tanev’s career.

Giving 4 years and $4.5M to a 31 year old injury prone dman that is on a downward trajectory just never seems like a good move.

Tanev has been the same player for four years.

If he comes in and does exactly what he’s done the last four years, it’s a success.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I don't think they have ever been good.

They were tremendous for a few years around 2013-2017

[OminousFlames]

I don't know how I feel about this signing, but as with the Markstrom signing, I'm cautiously optimistic. I don't know if this was brought up before in this thread, but right off the bat, Markstrom has a defenceman he knows and trusts. I wonder if Tre asked Markstrom what he thought about Tanev before signing him.
And for bit of a joke.. If we have a shortened season again, thanks to covid, at least getting 60 games out of Tanev in the regular season maybe not such a bad thing after all.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

This is fair. You’re taking a slightly higher AAV hit and some term on Markstrom.
But more I think about it, you’re ahead on balance in terms of ability.

But now you’ve got to think about your injury risk on the back end with Tanev and Valimaki. I’m leaning toward thinking it’s a risk worth taking before paying for another veteran. You know Treliving will do another defenseman rental at the deadline anyway.

Bigger question is whether you have the forwards you can win with. That is what most people were focused on after the season and needing to shake up the core.

sure, the offseason is far from over IMO

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Red

Ideally a large and truculent C or LW to replace one of the current C or LW. Not an easy feat.
Hall swap for Johnny would do.

Hall is neither of those.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Tanev has been the same player for four years.

If he comes in and does exactly what he’s done the last four years, it’s a success.

Based on advanced metrics his ability to suppress shots and limit chances was good to elite from 2011-2018.

It’s declined each of the last two seasons though, and last year he was below average by those metrics.

The worry is the that for a guy with his injury history, at at his age, he won’t be able to turn around the regression.