[Signing] Flames sign Chris Tanev (4 years, $4.5 million AAV) - Page 21 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

GioforPM · 10-09-2020, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dajazz

I’m flabbergasted that Treliving couldn’t get Brodie done.

Chris Tanev same term but half a million less? That is a #### deal in comparison.

Why wouldn’t he sign Brodie for that money?

Because Brodie wanted to go to Toronto and maybe demanded more to stay put. Would you be OK with Brodie with a NMC at $6M?

GreenLantern2814 · 10-09-2020, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by timbit

Completely different, IMO. How much money would you pay to acquire a 1st and 2 second round picks.

That has to be part of your argument in justifying your negative opinion of Tanev’s contract.

I’m just saying, if a veteran Hamonic type on a similar contract costs a 1st and two 2nds, and still makes close to $4M, I’m at peace paying a slight premium in UFA to acquire them in lieu of the alternative.

We’re not dealing with an Alzner deal here - we’ve got a solid, if flawed, veteran defenseman on a mid-term contract and all it cost was money we had to spend anyway.

Look at the way this defense is built. Gio, Andersson, Hanifin, Kylington, Valimaki, that group NEEDS a Tanev. They don’t need another show pony.

Flamesforever99 · 10-09-2020, 10:45 PM

Yea.. I give up this team won't win a cup. I've been a flames fan since I was 6 years old and I'm 21 now and the most success I've witnessed was that fluke run in 2015. We've been mediocre and nothing has changed IMO we got worst this is a downgrade over Brodie and would rather brought Hamonic back. This guy can't stay healthy to save his life and with the minutes he's gonna be eating up we'll be lucky to see him in the line up for 50 games. I don't understand why they would go after him and not Barrie or even bring back Brodie, this teams problem wasn't the goaltending in the playoffs and the defence was okay. The one piece we needed to add was a top 6 winger and that should've been Hall and it's baffling to see Brad continue to beat around the bush and not address that, I like the Markstrom signing but this was a fail. We're technically two seasons removed from that embarrassing first round exit to the Avs and no changes have been made to address the scoring and taking the load off Johnny and Monny. At this rate we're gonna see Duclair signed and all their gonna do is play him on the third or fourth line and once again ruin a players career. This Tanev contract is gonna bite us in the a** in two years and we're going to end up in cap hell. But hey at least they'll make the playoffs and that's all this ownership cares about, that and cheaping out when it comes to hiring coaches.

SuperMatt18 · 10-09-2020, 10:45 PM

What I think I’m most frustrated about is the fact that this team can never go bargain hunting or try to take advantage of cap space.

We had some cap space this offseason...better go spend $10.5M on Markstrom and Tanev in day 1.

Why not try to just get a value deal from a team trying to clear cap? NJ was able to get Murray for a great deal.

A third of the league is at the cap and it appears the Flames didn’t even try to take advantage of the cap space we had.

Ah well. Hopefully he can find his game again and reverse the trend of his last two years.

2ArmBands · 10-09-2020, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dajazz

I’m flabbergasted that Treliving couldn’t get Brodie done.

Chris Tanev same term but half a million less? That is a #### deal in comparison.

Why wouldn’t he sign Brodie for that money?

It’s not that simple. Wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Calgary offered the same deal he signed in TO....

GranteedEV · 10-09-2020, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dajazz

I’m flabbergasted that Treliving couldn’t get Brodie done.

Chris Tanev same term but half a million less? That is a #### deal in comparison.

Why wouldn’t he sign Brodie for that money?

For all that people blame Gulutzan for the left-right d pairing nonsense, Treliving sure gets away scott free for acquiring all those rhs defensemen in the first place. I suspect he left his righty lefty bias influence his willingness to pay up.

Wood · 10-09-2020, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Beatle17

First off I like this signing, don't really care about the money for any contract.

Imagine how civil CP would be if there were more posters like you lol

The money talk can take a lot of fun out of the game. I enjoy it but it can definitely be nice to just be happy about adding a player who fills a hole on our roster and root for the new Flame

SeanCharles · 10-09-2020, 10:46 PM

What bothers me the most is how everyone looks at all the underlying numbers and use that as gospel.

- defensive dmen usually never have great underlying numbers because they get put into the most difficult situations, they are usually out there the last few mins of a game where the other team is pulling their goalie and putting on major pressure to tie it up etc. and are not put into favourable situations like dmen with more offensive capabilities so their numbers take a hit.

- Tanev has been playing on a rebuilding team that is just now starting to find their way so they have been outmatched in a lot of games so of course his numbers look like they have been trending down over the last few years.

We needed a dman who can play top 4 mins, be a factor on the PK and ideally be a RHed shot.

He checks all the boxes, is only 30, signed for less that 5 years and for less than $5mill.

The kicker is he has been widely regarded as having elite defensive abilities.

topfiverecords · 10-09-2020, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dajazz

I’m flabbergasted that Treliving couldn’t get Brodie done.

Chris Tanev same term but half a million less? That is a #### deal in comparison.

Why wouldn’t he sign Brodie for that money?

A team in Ontario offered him a contract.

dino7c · 10-09-2020, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

What I think I’m most frustrated about is the fact that this team can never go bargain hunting or try to take advantage of cap space.

We had some cap space this offseason...better go spend $10.5M on Markstrom and Tanev in day 1.

Why not try to just get a value deal from a team trying to clear cap? NJ was able to get Murray for a great deal.

A third of the league is at the cap and it appears the Flames didn’t even try to take advantage of the cap space we had.

They signed a top 5 goalie...literally the top guy on the market. You don't get him by waiting this was 100% taking advantage of cap space

Jiri Hrdina · 10-09-2020, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dajazz

I’m flabbergasted that Treliving couldn’t get Brodie done.

Chris Tanev same term but half a million less? That is a #### deal in comparison.

Why wouldn’t he sign Brodie for that money?

Because he wanted to live somewhere else and as a free agent had the ability to make that choice

Wood · 10-09-2020, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

It’s not that simple. Wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Calgary offered the same deal he signed in TO....

Exactly, it's almost like the players have a say in their own contract negotiations

GreenLantern2814 · 10-09-2020, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

If Tre traded Talbot and Brodie for Markstrom and Tanev at the deadline we would have been erecting statues of a him (and that wouldn't be the only thing erect)

that is basically what happened today

Yep. And what makes it better is we didn’t have to part with a single draft pick.

Barca · 10-09-2020, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah I don’t pay much attention to fan posts but I’m surprised at the utter sadness some have over losing these guys. Seems like both were favorites

they were.

Tanev and Edler were the last remaining players from the 2011 team and was Hughes mentor.

Marky was a big brother figure for Petey.

we're going to miss their personalities but these terms both guys signed for is a huge no for the Canucks, especially this Tanev deal.

dissentowner · 10-09-2020, 10:49 PM

I don't like this at all. I don't mind the players ability when he is healthy but that is not the case most often. I hope he proves me wrong but I see him missing as many games as he plays for us.

topfiverecords · 10-09-2020, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamesforever99

Yea..I give up this team won't win a cup. I've been a flames fan since I was 6 years old and I'm 21 now and the most success I've witnessed was that fluke run in 2015. We've been mediocre and nothing has changed IMO we got worst this is a downgrade over Brodie and would rather brought Hamonic back. This guy can't stay healthy to save his life and with the minutes he's gonna be eating up we'll be lucky to see him in the line up for 50 games. I don't understand why they would go after him and not Barrie or even bring back Brodie, this teams problem wasn't the goaltending in the playoffs and the defence was okay. The one piece we needed to add was a top 6 winger and that should've been Hall and it's baffling to see Brad continue to beat around the bush and not address that, I like the Markstrom signing but this was a fail. We're technically two seasons removed from that embarrassing first round exit to the Avs and no changes have been made to address the scoring and taking the load off Johnny and Monny. At this rate we're gonna see Duclair signed and all their gonna do is play him on the third or fourth line and once again ruin a players career. This Tanev contract is gonna bite us in the a** in two years and we're going to end up in cap hell. But hey at least they'll make the playoffs and that's all this ownership cares about, that and cheaping out when it comes to hiring coaches.

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Itse · 10-09-2020, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Red

We would always like a better deal. But we are competing with 30 other teams. Gotta pay and 4.5 for a #3 D isn't bad.
Btw, I disagree that he isn't a difference maker. Seems like you are fixated on offensive numbers. You sound like you wouldnt like guys like Gelinas, Williams or Regher on your team. Would a guy like Marc Andre Bergeron be better instead?
Not all about points.

Hey, Regehr was basically my favourite flame. In fact all my favourite players are great two-way guys, that's just how I roll, aöwaya have always will.

However, a "defensive defenseman" is just a nice way of saying "this guy sucks in half the game". If the only thing a guy brings is defense, that defense better be pretty effing marvelous.

Or to put it another way, being a defensive defenseman doesn't mean you're good at it. It's more a comment what he can't do than what he can.

Tanev is okay. He's a top D-man only in a bad team that got shelled in the playoffs.

To be a really good defensive defenseman, you also need to be super consistent, and Tanev isn't that either.

Plus he's just not very good.

To me this is yet another UFA overpayment for veteran truculence.

GioforPM · 10-09-2020, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

What I think I’m most frustrated about is the fact that this team can never go bargain hunting or try to take advantage of cap space.

We had some cap space this offseason...better go spend $10.5M on Markstrom and Tanev in day 1.

Why not try to just get a value deal from a team trying to clear cap? NJ was able to get Murray for a great deal.

A third of the league is at the cap and it appears the Flames didn’t even try to take advantage of the cap space we had.

Ah well. Hopefully he can find his game again and reverse the trend of his last two years.

Treliving got the best goalie available. You wanted lesser quality? Then he had to replace Brodie and tried to get someone of the same caliber. You wanted him to replace him with someone cheaper.

dino7c · 10-09-2020, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Wood

Exactly, it's almost like the players have a say in their own contract negotiations

People always think the old team gets first chance to match or something...UFA

Unrestricted Free Agent

dino7c · 10-09-2020, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Itse

Hey, Regehr was basically my favourite flame. In fact all my favourite players are great two-way guys, that's just how I roll, aöwaya have always will.

However, a "defensive defenseman" is really just a nice way of saying "this guy sucks in half the game". If the only thing a guy brings is defense, that defense better be pretty effing marvelous.

Tanev is okay. He's a top D-man only in a bad team that got shelled in the playoffs.

To be a really good defensive defenseman, you also need to be super consistent, and Tanev isn't that.

To me this is yet another UFA overpayment for veteran truculence.

His numbers likely look a lot better on a better team with a better dcore where he doesn't have to do all the heavy lifting. We shall see

Its not a homer opinion that most talking heads thought he was Vancouver's best Dman in the playoffs