[Rumour] UPD: Markstrom down to Edmonton or Calgary. Dreger says Oilers out

[djsFlames]

Its amazing how quickly Markstrom carrying the Canucks as far and as long as he did is lost on people.

We don't want that because "he was mediocre until a few years ago"

Maybe cause.. he wasn't as good/ fully developed a few years ago??

The gymnastics are impressive.

Dude just showed he can handle a starters load and carry a defensively porous team 2+ rounds but we're fearing he will flop?

Any goalie can, but markstrom has more positive indicators that he won't than any other candidate right now.

[dino7c]

Markstrom was the best goalie in the NHL this season IMO. I was saying this long before I thought there was even a slight chance of coming here.

GMs seem to agree he is by far the best goalie available

[dirk diggler]

a team that doesnt exactly have a great track record at developing goalies and i think we can all agree Calgary is one of those teams should roll the dice as i dont see any great prospects coming up

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah, I'm bullish on goalies as they can be so unpredictable, but if Markstrom is willing to come to the Flames, they should be all over it. Offer him a full NMC for the first 2-3 years of the deal, and then limited NTC for the remaining years.

I just don't want to see any assets traded to bring a goalie in, so sign the best available UFA....that's Markstrom.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

a team that doesnt exactly have a great track record at developing goalies and i think we can all agree Calgary is one of those teams should roll the dice as i dont see any great prospects coming up

Mr. Wolf probably begs to differ.

But we'll need a stop gap for 4-5 years until he's ready, and preferably one that can be consistent and handle 60 games a year.

Markstrom looks to be the closest thing to that.

[The Yen Man]

It'd be awesome if we can get Markstrom on a similar deal as what Lehner signed, but that might be wishful thinking. Anything over $5.5M per year though, and I start to get nervous.

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

This sucks after listening to the morning show, I’m kinda with Boomer and Rhett that Edmonton is going to be really pushing hard for Markstrom and That their cap issues Are not as bad as we might think. Hope I’m wrong and Tre signs him tomorrow

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

It'd be awesome if we can get Markstrom on a similar deal as what Lehner signed, but that might be wishful thinking. Anything over $5.5M per year though, and I start to get nervous.

Really? For a legit number one goalie something the Flames have not had since Kipper, I’d be happy at 6-6.75

[Blaster86]

I mean Re: cap issues

We harp on and on about how bad off teams are, but every season those teams always seem to make it work and make additions or re-sign key players. Only one team I can think of that has ever actually put themselves in a bad place cap-wise is the Flames when they couldn't dress a full line up.

If a team really needs or wants something, they make it work.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I mean Re: cap issues

We harp on and on about how bad off teams are, but every season those teams always seem to make it work and make additions or re-sign key players. Only one team I can think of that has ever actually put themselves in a bad place cap-wise is the Flames when they couldn't dress a full line up.

If a team really needs or wants something, they make it work.

Yeah, but there is always a cost in the form of draft picks or buy outs or trading a valuable player for less than they are worth.

It cost Toronto a 1st round pick to move 1 season of Marleau just last off season.

The Turris buyout is going to cost Nashville 2 million of cap space for the next 8 season.

We have heard rumors that Vegas will look at moving Schmidt, Marhessault, and Stastny if they can't find a taker for Fleury. They offered up a 2nd round pick for taking on his contract and even then no team bit.

[Vinny01]

https://mobile.twitter.com/DhaliwalS...72472401735680

Khudobin to play with Demko next year?

[djsFlames]

SURELY we can beat the oilers offer.

They have 2/3 of a team signed with what, 13M to spend?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://mobile.twitter.com/DhaliwalS...72472401735680

Khudobin to play with Demko next year?

I'm fine with that back-up plan. Works better for our time-line, probably doesn't give a #### about Seattle and Seattle probably won't give a #### about a 35 year old goalie.

[Tkachukwagon]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

SURELY we can beat the oilers offer.

They have 2/3 of a team signed with what, 13M to spend?

Plus they need to sign "the Tenderness TM" to an extension for year

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

SURELY we can beat the oilers offer.

They have 2/3 of a team signed with what, 13M to spend?

I don’t see how the Oilers can beat the Flames on the offer unless a Treliving sets a cap for himself. Flames can offer the same term and more money easily. Also have Lindholm along with several other Swedes who will vouch for the city/organization.

[Roof-Daddy]

I can't believe we will have to compete with the oilers for Markstrom.

Hopefully he's been paying attention for the last 15 years.

The worst franchise in the entre league by a country mile, plus it's EDMONTON.

[SuperMatt18]

Honestly I'm of the mindset that you probably shouldn't overpay for a 30+ year old goalie under any circumstances.

Look at goalie signings that are 28 or older, signed for 5+ years, for $5M or more in the last decade.

Bobrovsky - Age 30 - 7 x $10M (Coming off seasons of .921 / .913 - put up a .900 last season)
Price - Age 29 - 8 x $10.5M (Coming off seasons of .934 / .923 - put up a .900 season)
Schneider - Age 28 - 7 x $6M (Was coming off seasons of .927 & .921, had a very good first two seasons of the contract with .925, .924 seasons, hasn't been above .908 since)
Lundqvist - Age 31 - 7 x $8.5M (Remained elite for the first 4 seasons of the contract, hasn't been as good the last two, now a buyout)
Crawford - Age 28 - 6 x $6M (Stayed above .915 for the whole contract but couldn't stay healthy the last three seasons)
Smith - Age 31 - 6 x $5.7 (Signed coming off a big .915 season, went to .904 the next season, ended up traded to Calgary with 2 seasons left)
Howard - Age 29 - 6 x $5.3M (Signed coming off .920 & .923 seasons, never had a season above .910 again)
Lehtonen - Age 28 - 5 x $5.9 (Signed coming off .921 & .916 seasons, had one good season and was a liability after that)

Which of those goalies actually provided good value for those contracts? Crawford for sure would have been worth it, and maybe Lundqvist but really none of the rest.

Also I'd say Markstrom is much closer to the Smith, Lehtonen, Howard end of the goalie scale than the others who had much longer and more consistent levels of success prior to the contracts.

Markstrom will likely be 31 by a month into this new contract. Has only been above average for 2 seasons in his career (the last two), but is on the wrong side of the aging curve.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Sandman

IMO, if Markstrom comes here, he'll flop. He's been mediocre his whole career until the last two years. He reminds me of Koskinen-he's good enough to earn a big payday, then he'll fall back to earth. Just an opinion of course, but I would be nervous to throw money and term at him.

Markstrom has been great for the last 2 years, literally carrying his team.

Koskinen was signed to a stupid contract after 16 games. EVERYBODY (other than Oiler homers) panned it as idiocy at the time.

That is a really bad comparison. As in, there is nothing at all similar about the two except they are both goalies.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly I'm of the mindset that you probably shouldn't overpay for a 30+ year old goalie under any circumstances.

Look at goalie signings that are 28 or older, signed for 5+ years, for $5M or more in the last decade.

Bobrovsky - Age 30 - 7 x $10M
Price - Age 29 - 8 x $10.5M
Schneider - Age 28 - 7 x $6M
Lundqvist - Age 31 - 7 x $8.5M
Crawford - Age 28 - 6 x $6M
Smith - Age 31 - 6 x $5.7
Howard - Age 29 - 6 x $5.3M
Lehtonen - Age 28 - 5 x $5.9

Which of those goalies actually provided good value for those contracts? Crawford for sure would have been worth it, and maybe Lundqvist but really none of the rest.

Also I'd say Markstrom is much closer to the Smith, Lehtonen, Howard end of the goalie scale than the others who had much longer and more consistent levels of success prior to the contracts.

Markstrom will likely be 31 by a month into this new contract. Has only been above average for 2 seasons in his career (the last two), but is on the wrong side of the aging curve.

So if we aren't willing to pay for a goalie like Markstrom what is the plan to get a actual proven #1?
People have criticized the team for not paying up for a proper #1. This is what that looks like.
If we aren't happy with Markstrom what exactly would we be happy with?

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Its amazing how quickly Markstrom carrying the Canucks as far and as long as he did is lost on people.

We don't want that because "he was mediocre until a few years ago"

Maybe cause.. he wasn't as good/ fully developed a few years ago??

The gymnastics are impressive.

Dude just showed he can handle a starters load and carry a defensively porous team 2+ rounds but we're fearing he will flop?

Any goalie can, but markstrom has more positive indicators that he won't than any other candidate right now.

Since this post is aimed at me, let me just say that his accomplishments are not lost on me. I know how good he's been this year, but like it's been said before-goalies are voodoo. I have no real data to back up my opinion,all i can say is that we'll see...

I also realize that this is a very unpopular opinion, and I'm ok with that.