American Politics Thread: The Hunt for Blue November

[octothorp]

Listening to the Michigan plot charges, it was including finding out the homes of police officers to commit attacks on them to incite a civil war, testing out IEDs for an attack on a government building, kidnapping Whittmer from her vacation home, holding a trial for her, and possibly executing her. Crazy stuff.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The thing is if mail in ballots are received well before election day they are often the first ballots counted. Anything received around election day or after won't be counted until last, but with such a large volume so far out Trump's strategy of hoping he's ahead on election night and then ending the election there is less viable.

The issue is the swing states where they can’t be opened until Election Day.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Listening to the Michigan plot charges, it was including finding out the homes of police officers to commit attacks on them to incite a civil war, testing out IEDs for an attack on a government building, kidnapping Whittmer from her vacation home, holding a trial for her, and possibly executing her. Crazy stuff.

We really need to call this out for what it is: a terrorism plot. Plain and simple. They need to be charged as terrorists.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

The issue is the swing states where they can’t be opened until Election Day.

They can't be opened anywhere until election day. But if they are received by election day they will be counted with the election day ballots. The worry is that Trump and Co's meddling with the USPS will cause ballots mailed closer to election day to take forever to get to the election office (if at all). But it seems a lot of people aren't even mailing their ballot, just dropping it off directly.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

We really need to call this out for what it is: a terrorism plot. Plain and simple. They need to be charged as terrorists.

Agreed, and they are being charged with felony terrorism charges; I can't on a quick search find a link to the charges, but I listened to the press conference and no punches were pulled about the fact that this is terrorism.

We'll see how the media handles it though.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

We really need to call this out for what it is: a terrorism plot. Plain and simple. They need to be charged as terrorists.

[GirlySports]

It's amazing how it's come to this. This will be strange to say but the pandemic would strengthen any competent leader or party. Even a so-so leader like Trudeau has been strengthened by his handling of the crisis. Just follow what doctors say and show the people you care. From provincial premiers to state governors, from Horgan to Kenny, from Cuomo to De Santis, just make a decision for the area.


Trump is incapable of this. He has to know more than the doctors, he has to have the bigger rallies, he has to make the biggest noise. His approval would be in the 60s right now, even if he did nothing.

[FlamesAddiction]

Trump will probably pardon them on his way out of the White House. Unless he dies before he can start the mass pardons.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Trump will probably pardon them on his way out of the White House. Unless he dies before he can start the mass pardons.

There were a bunch of state-crimes announced for most of them as well, so any Trump pardon will be at best a partial pardon (assuming convictions).

[Senator Clay Davis]

State charges, no Presidential pardon possible. Maybe Trump will start instructing people to do federal only crimes for pardon purposes.

[troutman]

Michigan Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey, a Republican, strongly condemned the threat against the governor.

"A threat against our governor is a threat against us all," Shirkey said in a statement. "We condemn the actions of the group of individuals that plotted against Governor Whitmer and state government. These people are not patriots. There is no honor in their actions. They are criminals and traitors, and they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/08/polit...mer/index.html

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It's amazing how it's come to this. This will be strange to say but the pandemic would strengthen any competent leader or party. Even a so-so leader like Trudeau has been strengthened by his handling of the crisis. Just follow what doctors say and show the people you care. From provincial premiers to state governors, from Horgan to Kenny, from Cuomo to De Santis, just make a decision for the area.

Trump is incapable of this. He has to know more than the doctors, he has to have the bigger rallies, he has to make the biggest noise. His approval would be in the 60s right now, even if he did nothing.

I think I was in high school when I realized that if I ever was a political leader I wouldn't want to be remembered as one of the best/greatest of all time.

The true greats overcome a level of strife, often that could cripple a nation or starts a new one.

Washington led the rebellion to victory and established the USA.

Jefferson set the foundation for it to become the most powerful nation on Earth.

Lincoln survived a Civil War and freed the slaves.

FDR saw the US through WWII, established the US as a superpower, and introduced a new deal that paved the way for the greatest economic powerhouse in history.

They became legends because they faced insane hardship. Without the hardship would FDR have been on par with Clinton? Lincoln on par with Bush 41?

I mean no disrespect to Clinton or Bush.


Trump had the opportunity to put 3 reasonable, but conservative judges on the Supreme Court, ride the coattails of a strong economy, and been a world leader taking charge and setting THE example on the Caronoavirus.

He dropped the ball with Kavanaugh, is running massive deficits with tax cuts for his friends and donors, and failed on COVID in historic fashion.

Trump was dealt a hand that would have left him remembered fondly by history. Instead, he will be remembered as an epic failure.


The thing most people who yearn for love in the political realm don't understand is those that are beloved by people at large and revered by history are the ones who simply do what they believe is in the best interest at large despite how they personally may look. Which is counterintuitive for those like Trump.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It's amazing how it's come to this. This will be strange to say but the pandemic would strengthen any competent leader or party. Even a so-so leader like Trudeau has been strengthened by his handling of the crisis. Just follow what doctors say and show the people you care. From provincial premiers to state governors, from Horgan to Kenny, from Cuomo to De Santis, just make a decision for the area.


Trump is incapable of this. He has to know more than the doctors, he has to have the bigger rallies, he has to make the biggest noise. His approval would be in the 60s right now, even if he did nothing.

Yep. Right from the beginning, he and his supporters saw this all as a plot against him and his precious economy. It didn't have to be political, but he made it that way. All it took was more early action, a little more short term pain, and everything could be looking a lot more normal by now, including economic activity. No one would have blamed him for a few months of economic hardship. Instead, there is no obvious path to normal and at least 300,000 are dead.

[troutman]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1314030963370803201

[MoneyGuy]

With over WH staffers and Trump insiders testing positive, have any Biden insiders tested positive? I’m aware that Biden and Harris are negative.

[PsYcNeT]

I can't believe Trump doesn't have a team that can greenscreen him properly...

Wrong shadow, mismatched perspective, wrong color temps...jfc

https://twitter.com/user/status/1314252606110412806

[troutman]

Amid Trump's Post-Election Chaos, Hold Lawyers to Account on the Vote Count

https://www.newsweek.com/amid-trumps...pinion-1535976

Lawyers are members of state bars, where they have sworn to uphold the Constitution, not undermine it. State bar associations are charged with upholding the integrity of the profession, which often includes bringing disciplinary action against lawyers whose unprofessional or unethical conduct would otherwise compromise that integrity. Trump's campaign lawyers should not get a free pass to act as Trump's agents in an attempt to reverse the election results. So the question becomes, what are state bar associations going to do to forewarn campaign attorneys that the filing of frivolous actions intended to thwart the exercise of a citizen's constitutional right to vote will be subject to scrutiny, potentially warranting disciplinary actions? Allowing lawyers to act without constraint in an attempt to invalidate the most sacred right of any citizen would be a complete dereliction of basic bar organization responsibility to make sure the ethical conduct of lawyers is appropriately policed.

The state bar associations in the key swing states—Maine, Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Colorado, Arizona, Montana, North Carolina, Georgia and Iowa—need to issue a statement to any attorneys in their states participating in election activity making known that 2020 election-related litigation will be scrutinized, and frivolous lawsuits brought to deprive citizens of having their vote counted will not be tolerated. While the Trump legal challenges will claim there is a substantial evidentiary basis for alleging that certain votes should be invalidated, given the history of mail-in ballots, it is quite apparent that most of these claims will be lacking in any meaningful support, and therefore, in all likelihood, will constitute an abuse of the legal process.

[PsYcNeT]

Hey it's the worlds least shocking news

https://twitter.com/user/status/1314261571305172994

[Senator Clay Davis]

^^^ Lol did they need the green screen because he couldn't walk to the spot on the lawn without being breathless?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I can't believe Trump doesn't have a team that can greenscreen him properly...

Wrong shadow, mismatched perspective, wrong color temps...jfc

https://twitter.com/user/status/1314252606110412806

Somebody pinch me. This is surreal, even at this point.