2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[David Struch]

Why would Markstrom choose Calgary...

Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman added more gasoline in his Friday conversation with our morning show at Sportsnet 960. “You know that Markstrom and Lindholm are really tight, hey,” were Friedman’s parting words. Make of those what you will.

https://flamesnation.ca/2020/09/19/t...cob-markstrom/

[868904]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Why would Markstrom choose Calgary...
https://flamesnation.ca/2020/09/19/t...cob-markstrom/

Also, I think a lot of Swedes do prefer living in Canada to the States. I think the people and climate is more similar to what they are use to.

Vancouver is undoubtably the preferred choice, it’s a beautiful world class City, but I don’t think Calgary is that far behind. I haven’t been to Sweden but I imagine the main cities there are pretty similar to Vancouver and Calgary.

Unless you have roots there, I don’t know why anyone would live in Edmonton.

[Royle9]

Sweden definitely more like Calgary than Vancouver temperature wise but also has 2 major cities on the coast (Gothenburg/Stockholm) which is why they probably choose Vancouver #1.

Having been to both places, I can honestly say Sweden would be a great place to live.

[marsplasticeraser]

It feels like trades are being held up as it’s hard to evaluate players value as you can’t tell if existing contracts are any good without seeing UFA contracts.

I just wonder if UFA signings for 2nd tier players and below will be attractive enough that players on existing contracts will be harder to move.

Add to this a lot of teams were expecting a rising cap and don’t have a ton of cap space and it could be a really strange offseason.

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

No "big name" "traded for" goalie has won a Stanley Cup basically since the lock out. None. 16 years or more? Want me to post the break down ....again???

I find your insistence on this anomaly bizarre. What are you suggesting? I don't doubt your break down but I wonder what you feel is the reason for this if not coincidence.

Do you think goalie quality is not transferable with a trade? If a team finds themselves with disappointing home grown keepers they're just bonned?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

14 straight years is NOT a co-incidence OR a "small sample size". Ask Warrener how much fun getting to a final and losing is. All Cup Champs are at least 50% home grown players by the winning team and for whatever reason the goalies are ALWAYS part of that important foundation group all cup champs have in common.

Because teams don’t trade away goalies who have starting ability. Both due to their importance, and the fact no one else lets them go. Pretty straight forward reason why they aren’t normally available.

[Enoch Root]

It's hilarious.

I found a premise. I drew a conclusion. I am going to yell that conclusion from the rooftops. And nothing anybody says is going to make me change my mind!

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by 868904

Also, I think a lot of Swedes do prefer living in Canada to the States. I think the people and climate is more similar to what they are use to.

Vancouver is undoubtably the preferred choice, it’s a beautiful world class City, but I don’t think Calgary is that far behind. I haven’t been to Sweden but I imagine the main cities there are pretty similar to Vancouver and Calgary.

Unless you have roots there, I don’t know why anyone would live in Edmonton.

Not to try and get political, but Sweden is also a very socialist country, so politically speaking they are likely much more comfortable in Canada.

Besides Lindholm, we also have Kylington, Andersson and Backlund as well, so while they may not all be friends with Markstrom, they would understand things we North Americans see as quirks, but are more cultural. When working and living away from home, people from your own country are an appealing factor in choosing where to live. When my parents moved to Canada from South Africa, they chose Calgary because of the South African population.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Because teams don’t trade away goalies who have starting ability. Both due to their importance, and the fact no one else lets them go. Pretty straight forward reason why they aren’t normally available.

Yup, and if you don't draft your own, you're screwed, forfeit the season, fold the franchise.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Icon

Yup, and if you don't draft your own, you're screwed, forfeit the season, fold the franchise.

Nah, you just wander aimlessly in irrelevancy bouncing around drafting in the low to mid 20s. Never really improving, never really getting all that bad.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by 868904

Honestly this is probably the best case scenario for the Flames. Let Tre go big game hunting, miss out, and be forced to pick up bargain deals in December when veterans who can help will be had for pennies on the dollar.

The only things worth buying in free agency is elite talent (Hall, Markstrom, Pietrangelo) and discounted value assets.

Stay clear from any “Tier 2” free agents.

I just get this feeling from all the "talk" that is going on and the wave that is starting to build. Calgary has been tagged on everyone and everything, and all too often that can result in being pressed too thin to accomplish anything. It also means that there are likely a number of dominoes lined up and that one not falling doesn't push the others over. I think that Hall is the primary domino. He signs here and a number of dominoes are set in motion to really change the team. That doesn't happen and we're left waiting. Same on Barrie/Brodie. I think that by waiting on Hall/Barrie/Markstrom Tre may miss some players at lesser contracts that can provide just as big a lift. Just my feeling based on the ebb and flow of the rumor mill and the history of the people and team involved.

I'm not as fearful as the tier two free agents as some are. I look at Tofolli and Brodie as tier two free agents and I would be happy if they snagged both of them and still moved Gaudreau in a trade for immediate assets. I think the team would be better and not assume as much risk. Again, just my feelings on what they should do rather than what I see materializing.

[Demetric]

so, only draft goalies now?

[Buff]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

No "big name" "traded for" goalie has won a Stanley Cup basically since the lock out. None. 16 years or more? Want me to post the break down ....again???

This string is about speculation. I'll speculate right back at all of you who want to shell out for a "big name" goalie. Its a lot of money for stop gap. Talbots as good as any stop gap mentor for young Goalies and cheaper. I don't want a plugged nickle spent on washed up Holtby, washed up Fluery or Markstrom even if he is playing well.

Which lockout? The one that was in 2012/13? Then yes, the last 8 goalies to win the Cup were drafted by the team they won with.

The lockout cancelled season? Well, here is where your "none" is wrong. Tim Thomas won it with Boston in 2011. He wasn't drafted by Boston. He signed with them. The year before that (2010), Antti Niemi was the winning goalie for Chicago and he wasn't drafted either.

I'm not sure how you want to clasisfy the 2008 Stanley Cup Championship. Chris Osgood was the winning goalie for Detroit, and while he was originally drafted by them, he was technically re-acquired by Detroit after playing for two other teams in between his two stints in Detroit. Since Detroit didn't draft him for his 2nd stint with the team, I would argue that you can't include him in the "drafted by" category.

The winning goalie in 2007 was JS Gigure. He was playing for his 3rd team.

Then we get to the bad year of 2004. The winning goalie was Khabibulin and he wasn't drafted by Tampa Bay either.

So the last 16 Stanley Cups were won by, not 16 goalies who were drafted by the winning team, but 12. So your claims of zero goalies to have been traded for or signed are a bit off. However, if you meant the 2012/13 lockout shortened season, then yes, only goalies drafted by the winning team won the cup.


I got curious and looked it up. The years a team won with a goalie that they didn't draft.
2011, 2010, 2008, 2007, 2004, 2002, 2001, 1999, 1997, 1996, 1992, 1991, 1990, 1983, 1982, 1981, 1980.

I stopped at 1980, but could have easily included most of the 70s, as Ken Dryden was the 1st drafted goalie to win the Stanley Cup, but he wasn't drafted by Montreal. 17 years out of 40 were won by goalies not drafted. If you want to include Dryden, it is 23/47. Winning the Stanley Cup is not exlusive to teams who use a goalie they drafted. As you can see, there are trends where it happens and when it doesn't happen. We're in that trend right now where teams who win have been using the goalie they drafted.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Buff

As you can see, there are trends where it happens and when it doesn't happen. We're in that trend right now where teams who win have been using the goalie they drafted.

Great post, on the quoted point, the next thing that would need to be looked at to draw any conclusions here is the % of playoff teams each year that have starting goalies who they drafted. My take would be IF that number is slowly going up over the years, that it's due to better scouting & finding better young goalies than anything else.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Icon

Great post, on the quoted point, the next thing that would need to be looked at to draw any conclusions here is the % of playoff teams each year that have starting goalies who they drafted. My take would be IF that number is slowly going up over the years, that it's due to better scouting & finding better young goalies than anything else.

I suspect that going forward the trend will keep getting stronger in favor of goalies drafted by the winning team, however, I think the trend for % of players drafted by the Stanely Cup winning team is also going to increase. Drafting has become a strong focal point in the NHL and teams are putting more resources into nailing their draft picks, and then developing them.

[The Professor]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Sweden definitely more like Calgary than Vancouver temperature wise but also has 2 major cities on the coast (Gothenburg/Stockholm) which is why they probably choose Vancouver #1.

Having been to both places, I can honestly say Sweden would be a great place to live.

As a former Calgarian, when I left town, my first priority was to find a place at least as cold. NHL players with some control aren’t thinking of home like climate, that’s silly. Other elements, sure. The political leanings, probably very true. But Alberta is by far the least ‘socialist’ place in Canada.

I just think, nice town, promising team, decent opportunity are the deciding factors for most. Varying per player of course. Having buddies on a team might affect things as well.

[sureLoss]

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Seems like Arizona is waiting for Boston to make its move on OEL, but the Bruins don’t like the asking price. Meanwhile, Vancouver remains an option with tomorrow’s deadline looming.

[Crown Royal]

Great post Buff

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[dino7c]

Goaltending cost Calgary the biggest game of the year...unless you are good with 7 goals against on 24 shots and 7 scoring chances against