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Old 10-08-2020, 06:17 AM   #61
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Janko showed last season (not the one just completed) what he is capable of, by what he achieved.

32 points including 8 short handed points when given only 4th line minutes and no PP time is really quite good. I mean very, very good.
If each of our third and fourth liners had production like that, we’d be the highest scoring team in the league.

That is elite production for a fourth liner.

He likely will help some team, but it needs to be another team. His time in Calgary needs to be done.


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Old 10-08-2020, 06:34 AM   #62
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Some hot takes. If he only had a 9 game spurt in the "return from COVID" that made everyone forget about his horrendous season prior to that, he too could have been penciled into the lineup as high as the second center! /snark

Good luck Mark. You'll do better with your next team.
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Old 10-08-2020, 07:51 AM   #63
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No one is playing Janko on the second line. He is really a fourth liner who has shown flashes at being a third liner. He has little upside given his age and no jam. Good teams want developing players with upside on their third and fourth lines. Guys like Mangiapane and Dube. They also want guys with jam.

Makes sense there was no room for Janko. For league minimum or a 2 way deal, he'd be decent depth. For 2 million, a complete waste of money.

I'd be shocked if anyone pays him his qualifying offer.
Your ‘top 6’ play on lines 1 & 2. By middle 6 I’m saying 3C - I guess I should’ve wrote 3C that’s the ice time I was referring to.

I think he needs third line minutes.
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Old 10-08-2020, 07:59 AM   #64
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He has only played 3 seasons and actually the first 2 were pretty good. Double digits in both goals and assists in 2019. So he actually improved in his sophomore season. It was only his last season where he put up a turd of a season and began to fall out of the lineup. His playoff stat line also sucks, so not really a guy you can depend on in the playoffs to be a hero on occasion.

I don't think he's pure garbage like some have said. But no doubt it's been disappointing given how much time the Flames put towards his development. They gave him the long route to finish college, then time in the AHL to develop. He had a decent rookie and better sophomore season. I'm not sure what the team could have done better to develop him as it seems they did it by the book.

At some point the onus is on the player to take the next step. If he ever hopes to get his career on track again it will have to be with another team, and I think he could play well for someone else.
Yeah I agree with this, and I think the fact that his third season was his worst speaks to serious confidence issues, but I also think if he has confidence issues here, that's not going to improve by changing organizations.

He was in a fairly good place to start the season. He had a good hold on a regular spot in the lineup, decent linemates and there really wasn't much pressure on him specifically, at least not from the fans. (If there was some behind the scenes pressure, that's another story.)

While I'm not ruling out the possibility of him breaking out elsewhere, my guess is he'll fizzle out just the same in another organization, if he even gets another chance.

There was nothing particularly difficult about his situation here. We aren't even that deep at center. Had he played well he could easily have moved up the lineup.
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It has an impact on some individuals when the team openly wants to trade you after you had a break out season.

He might not have a Doug Gilmour career, but Gilmour was better with the Leafs after he found out that the Flames really didn't want him.

Jankowski was definitely on the Backlund track up until it was made public that he was offered in a trade.

Bad move on management just to show the fan base that it was the cities fault his not getting Kadri.




Why not just say that a solid offer was made and Kadri wouldn't waive his NTC to come to Calgary.
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Old 10-08-2020, 08:22 AM   #66
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It has an impact on some individuals when the team openly wants to trade you after you had a break out season.

He might not have a Doug Gilmour career, but Gilmour was better with the Leafs after he found out that the Flames really didn't want him.

Jankowski was definitely on the Backlund track up until it was made public that he was offered in a trade.

Bad move on management just to show the fan base that it was the cities fault his not getting Kadri.

Why not just say that a solid offer was made and Kadri wouldn't waive his NTC to come to Calgary.
Trade every player from the organization who can’t handle the thought of being traded.

Jeez, it comes with the territory. These are professional hockey players, not babies. Every single NHL player has had to move to play hockey at least a couple times in their careers.
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No hard feelings but not sad to see him go. Opens up a spot on the 4th for a younger cheaper player.
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It has an impact on some individuals when the team openly wants to trade you after you had a break out season.

He might not have a Doug Gilmour career, but Gilmour was better with the Leafs after he found out that the Flames really didn't want him.

Jankowski was definitely on the Backlund track up until it was made public that he was offered in a trade.

Bad move on management just to show the fan base that it was the cities fault his not getting Kadri.




Why not just say that a solid offer was made and Kadri wouldn't waive his NTC to come to Calgary.
Are you suggesting the Flames held a press conference and announced they almost traded Jankowski? Sheesh man, that's not how it works. Reporters pick up on things.

Regardless, thats the NHL. Brodie's name was attached to that trade too and he had a great season. That's the business side of it. I highly doubt it effected Jankowski's play.

Jankowski has solid skills and thinks the game well enough, but no he was not on the Backlund track. He is a fine player and will do well elsewhere given more of an opportunity, but he's just too expensive to bring back to center the 4th line. This happening was the most predictable thing going into the off season.

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Trade every player from the organization who can’t handle the thought of being traded.

Jeez, it comes with the territory. These are professional hockey players, not babies. Every single NHL player has had to move to play hockey at least a couple times in their careers.
So you liked the Gilmour trade?

Jnkowski was a rare successful Flames development project. He did everything that was asked of him and I could see that he might have thought he was a Flame for life.
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So you liked the Gilmour trade?

Jnkowski was a rare successful Flames development project. He did everything that was asked of him and I could see that he might have thought he was a Flame for life.
What does the Gilmour trade have to do with Janko?

He’s a 4th line player . Every year 20 guys just like him move on from there teams after 5-6 years.

Half are out of the league in a year and half catch on with another team . Some of these will obviously find new life/energy/motivation

How anyone can overly care about a guy who was benched in the playofff for Rinaldo is perplexing !
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Old 10-08-2020, 08:43 AM   #71
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I agree with the poster who said he’s on a Joe Colborne trajectory. For his size he is completely invisible out there. I’ve watched entire games and not even realized he’s in the lineup. Swing and a miss by the Feester regime. Move on.
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This narrative that so many fans are taking that he isn't even an NHL level player isn't a bad look on Jankowski, it's a bad look on our fanbase. We are really starting to look like Oiler fans with how they love to run players out of town.
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So you liked the Gilmour trade?

Jnkowski was a rare successful Flames development project. He did everything that was asked of him and I could see that he might have thought he was a Flame for life.
No bubble player has any reason to believe they will have a one team career. Ridiculous.

I don’t know what a legit #1 C has to do with Jankowski.
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This narrative that so many fans are taking that he isn't even an NHL level player isn't a bad look on Jankowski, it's a bad look on our fanbase. We are really starting to look like Oiler fans with how they love to run players out of town.
So Tre was reading CP when he decided not to qualify him?
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I agree with the poster who said he’s on a Joe Colborne trajectory. For his size he is completely invisible out there. I’ve watched entire games and not even realized he’s in the lineup. Swing and a miss by the Feester regime. Move on.
People really need to learn to compare players better. Other than big and non-physical, they really aren't that similar. Other than board work, Colborne was pretty useless when he wasn't producing. The best parts of Jankowski's game are without the puck, and especially on the penalty kill. He's closer to Brian Boyle (without the hitting) than Joe Colborne.
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So Tre was reading CP when he decided not to qualify him?
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Old 10-08-2020, 09:07 AM   #78
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I'm not sure Jankowski ever will be an NHL regular. Watching him this last year, it looked like he had zero interest in competing. It looked like he was playing Saturday night Shinny. If only you could blend his hockey mind with Sam Bennet's drive and speed.........if only.
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Trade every player from the organization who can’t handle the thought of being traded.

Jeez, it comes with the territory. These are professional hockey players, not babies. Every single NHL player has had to move to play hockey at least a couple times in their careers.
I’m not disagreeing with you about the ‘comes with the territory’ part. I do think that Janko is probably a guy who is very loyal and committed to his organization - be it high school, college or pro. It’s admirable imo.

I think this is his first experience with the ruthlessness of business and he felt betrayed. I believe it was coaching narratives and not the rest of the org. I think Peters and then Ward (influenced by Peters’ assessment) was the difference. I certainly could be wrong.

Peters probably favoured Ryan in those roles (3, 4 C) more. He liked his guy (I like Ryan too - good player).

I do agree he needed a better professional response but again I think he felt he was loyal and that can hurt a young player with his first professional job.

Also who knows what his team (agents, family, coaches) are also saying and possibly influencing his thinking.
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This narrative that so many fans are taking that he isn't even an NHL level player isn't a bad look on Jankowski, it's a bad look on our fanbase. We are really starting to look like Oiler fans with how they love to run players out of town.
He is a borderline NHL player. Every 4th liner is who isn't on their entry contact.

He was benched in the playoffs by the 8th seeded team in favor of a grinder who played 3 minutes a game.

Sure he could score 10 goals in an outlier season. There's 100 guys in that category in the NHL
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