2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by VilleN

It makes plenty of sense. Players are traded because another team wants them, not necessarily because they aren't good anymore and the trading team is offloading them.

That's fine. A player might be traded for because they are wanted but they may not have lots of overall value.

In other words, I don't think Monahan is the comparable for Domi. More like Mangiapane and Bennett.

I would also get rid of Backlund's contract in a heartbeat as I think he makes too much as a good 3rd line defensive center. But that's a conversation we have had before on this forum.

Anyway, thanks for the debate this morning guys & gals. Enjoy your day!

[Brad Marsh]

I think the disappointment is not because Treliving isn't outbidding other teams just to win (but ultimately lose) a trade deal, but rather that the Flames have several glaring holes that are preventing the team from moving forward and it doesn't seem as though Treliving has been able to address those holes, even though he recognizes them too (given the deals he's been rumored to be in on), and even though he seems to be working hard to address to them.

The issue I have is that it's hard to blame Treliving. There are so many variables at play:

• No move/trade clauses

• the players the Flames have to offer in return may not be the fit the other GM is looking for

• the reality that other teams are often prepared to outbid

• the salary implications of a trade all has to come together for both teams

• the looming expansion draft

• etc.

No magic wands to make all of that just come together, and more often than not one or more of those factors are going to de-rail a deal.

This year it's even more complicated for the Flames given that they genuinely seem like major players in at least a couple of the premiere free agent sweepstakes, so that's another factor that is going to limit the potential for moves in advance of free agency.

Treliving didn't do much to improve the team last year, and it showed with another disappointing first round exit. At some point he needs to make the moves that will allow the team to take that next step, that's ultimately his job. But patience is really important in not forcing yourself into a bad decision. We'll have a better sense between now and the weekend whether or not all of his hard work and patience will pay off.

So I get the frustration some fans are feeling, and it's difficult to be patient, but I am glad Treliving hasn't made any foolish trades so far this off-season, and hopefully something does come together to make the team better because the team is clearly not good enough. Lots of time to do that though, even for this next season.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by keenan87

That was not the point at all. As I said, I think the Flames should do a better job at keeping things behind closed doors. Not sure why so much Flames stuff gets leaked.

My view, that I can't prove is that leaks primarily come from
1. Agents to media
2. Players to media (e.g. I think Commodore has some legit sources within the Flames' player group)
3. Management to media

I think, for most teams, the first two are the drivers of leaks and rumors. And I would further speculate that within Calgary, there are a couple of specific relationships between agents/players and media that create the leaks. If you look at some of the patterns including who reports things, and who they seem to talk to on a regular basis - you can start to connect some of the dots.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Sure, then the question is why were the Flames circling around? There must have been something that the Jackets were interested in.

Like I said, its not easy being a GM but sometimes you need to commit imo. Or it would also be nice to stop mimicking the Oilers.. I liked it better when the Flames were moves were surprises.. I remember Flames fans constantly laughing at Oilers fans for being "close" on players.

Lately, it seems like the Flames are pretty loose lipped.

Why do you think it is the Flames that are loose lipped? Why aren't we hearing much from Calgary reporters other than them discussing what national guys said? Unless it is a national reporter, very little is coming out about the Flames and we know guys like Friedman, McKenzie, LeBrun... etc, will mention every little Canadian team rumor because it boosts ratings/followers... etc.

Also, the Flames circling is a bird of prey reference, meaning the Flames saw something interesting, literally has nothing to do with what Columbus wanted.

[Roof-Daddy]

I wanted Josh Anderson on the Flames, but not at that price.

[MrMike]

Listening on the fan650 from Vancouver and it sounds like Markstrom wants to stay out west in the division. It really sounds like Calgary is high on his list.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Listening on the fan650 from Vancouver and it sounds like Markstrom wants to stay out west in the division. It really sounds like Calgary is high on his list.

Friedman has the Oilers as a team that will be after him in his post draft hit on TV last night. From an earlier report from Vancouver radio though apparently he has no interest in signing with the Oilers.

I have reasonable confidence if he gets to market the Flames will be heavily in the mix and have as good of a chance as any team.

I also could see a situation if Arizona eats the right contract that the Canucks will include Demko in the OEL trade and allow the Yotes to ship Kuemper off for a draft pick for next year. Canucks would be keeping Markstrom in this scenario

[Ozy_Flame]

Question because I'm just not a good gauge on this: is Markstrom really that special of a goalie? Or is he just another Talbot/Rittich "1B" level? I seem to remember him being this sort of anemic goalie, unless he's come into his own lately?

[gilligans_off]

Highly regarded as a prospect but took time to translate. Who knows if he keeps up the level of play. Definitely has/had higher ceiling than Big Save Dave.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Question because I'm just not a good gauge on this: is Markstrom really that special of a goalie? Or is he just another Talbot/Rittich "1B" level? I seem to remember him being this sort of anemic goalie, unless he's come into his own lately?

My opinion he is a top 5-10 workhorse goalie in the NHL. I remember when he was a Panthers prospect he was very highly rated and he really developed in his mid 20’s. He has been a solid player on one of the worst teams in the league over the last half decade and was their MVP this year.

He shouldn’t be getting to market but the Canucks May have another future star goalie in the making in Demko along with a long list of suitable 1a/b options they can sign this summer. The expansion draft and flat cap make it a tough scenario for them to make it all work.

[savemedrzaius]

Really hope Andersen from the Leafs gets traded today. I think it's time for a change and goalies are voodoo so who knows? Andersen has lost in 3 straight series deciding games so a shakeup is needed.

[Vinny01]

Scanning twitter Oiler fans seem to think they have a legit shot at Markstrom but I don’t see him picking there over Calgary. Nicer city, good bud Lindholm is here, better team, more Swedes

[ComixZone]

Oilers will keep their 3rd, officially.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Really hope Andersen from the Leafs gets traded today. I think it's time for a change and goalies are voodoo so who knows? Andersen has lost in 3 straight series deciding games so a shakeup is needed.

I’d put it at under 10% chance of that happening at this point. The return with the goalie market being what it is wouldn’t benefit Toronto to do a deal. I’m sure they were dangling him earlier but they won’t get the return he deserves. He’s a top five goaltender IMO. He didn’t lose them the series at all.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Question because I'm just not a good gauge on this: is Markstrom really that special of a goalie? Or is he just another Talbot/Rittich "1B" level? I seem to remember him being this sort of anemic goalie, unless he's come into his own lately?

Special is a strong word. But he is clearly a level up on Talbot and Rittich. IMO, he is in the group of top 10-15 goalies in the league. But he is definitely a #1.

The only reason Markstrom is potentially available is because of a combination of three events:

1) Vancouver has cap issues (easily solvable on its own)
2) Demko had a great playoffs and the Nucks are very high on him
3) (most importantly), the expansion draft.

Obviously, the best situation for Van is to keep both guys, and have rock-solid goaltending. But they can't protect both guys in the expansion draft. So they need to move one. Markstrom is proven and Demko isn't, but Demko is cheaper, and they have some cap issues to address.

IMO, Markstrom is by far the better choice, because he is proven. But I certainly understand why they would go with Demko.

[ComixZone]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1313884168921571328

Yes...yes....yes...

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Question because I'm just not a good gauge on this: is Markstrom really that special of a goalie? Or is he just another Talbot/Rittich "1B" level? I seem to remember him being this sort of anemic goalie, unless he's come into his own lately?

The last two seasons, he's been the Canucks' best player, despite Pettersson and Hughes being elite at their position.

Honestly though, I don't personally believe Sigalet is good enough for us to ever have that kind of goaltending. Eventually Markstrom would start slipping here.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The last two seasons, he's been the Canucks' best player, despite Pettersson and Hughes being elite at their position.

Honestly though, I don't personally believe Sigalet is good enough for us to ever have that kind of goaltending. Eventually Markstrom would start slipping here.

I see this all the time and wonder how legit it is?

How can Sigalet have lasted this long if he’s so terrible?

I’m not saying you’re wrong I’m genuinely curious.

[Iceman57]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Honestly though, I don't personally believe Sigalet is good enough for us to ever have that kind of goaltending. Eventually Markstrom would start slipping here.

Riiiight......I was wondering when Sigalet was going to be brought up, lmao

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Scanning twitter Oiler fans seem to think they have a legit shot at Markstrom but I don’t see him picking there over Calgary. Nicer city, good bud Lindholm is here, better team, more Swedes

Oilers have less than 8 million in cap space and need to fill 8 roster spots including a deal needed for Ethan Bear... they would have a lot of work to do to make that happen.