2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Is there a free agency interview period this year? If so..does this start before the draft? The dynamics of the draft would be completely different I think if you had some assurances from guys like Markstrom or Hall before hand as to what players you could move. If I recall last year...most of the signings were pretty much unofficially done the weekend before free agency.

The free agent interview period went the way of the DoDo in the new CBA extension

[AC]

No, they scrapped the interview period.

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2020...ew-period.html

[Roof-Daddy]

So glad they got rid of that UFA interview period.

Took all the excitement out of UFA day as pretty much all the big names were already linked to teams ahead of time.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

I know there is a ton of people who are not in favor of trading Noah Hanifin and I'm not advocating it, just asking a question.

With our 19th pick overall and Noah what what range do you think we could get ourselves to in the draft?

Interesting thought.

I wonder if something like Hanifin and 19th overall for Mueller and 7th overall would be possible.

IMO you don't trade a 23 year old top 4 Dman on a good contract just to move up 12 spots in a draft, so it shouldn't just be Hanifin and 19th overall for 7th overall for example.

I guess it really depends on what prospects are still on the board when 7th overall comes up, and how much either team covets them. It's a risky proposition because it's very possible that a player taken at 19th overall ends up being better than the player taken at 7th overall since the draft can be such a crap shoot more often than not.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

I know there is a ton of people who are not in favor of trading Noah Hanifin and I'm not advocating it, just asking a question.

With our 19th pick overall and Noah what what range do you think we could get ourselves to in the draft?

I know most will he up in arms over this (and maybe already discussed a few pages back), but at the start of Scott Rintoul’s show yesterday he had cited a writer from Arizona had said the Coyotes are looking for a D who is playing now and a first for OEL.

He then went on to say, neither the Canucks or Bruins have those assets. He then said if OEL expands his list Calgary has exactly that, Hanifin and 19.

Would you do:

OEL 25% retained - Hanifin + 19?

Would adding Dvorak to the mix make it more palatable?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I know most will he up in arms over this (and maybe already discussed a few pages back), but at the start of Scott Rintoul’s show yesterday he had cited a writer from Arizona had said the Coyotes are looking for a D who is playing now and a first for OEL.

He then went on to say, neither the Canucks or Bruins have those assets. He then said if OEL expands his list Calgary has exactly that, Hanifin and 19.

Would you do:

OEL 25% retained - Hanifin + 19?

Nope. No dice.

Earlier this off season I may have said yes, but the gap between OEL and Hanifin doesn’t really exist and the potential that OEL does bounce back is outweighed by the potential in Hanifin and what the 19th pick could become.

No interest in moving Hanifin for OEL, let alone Hanifin + 19.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I know most will he up in arms over this (and maybe already discussed a few pages back), but at the start of Scott Rintoul’s show yesterday he had cited a writer from Arizona had said the Coyotes are looking for a D who is playing now and a first for OEL.

He then went on to say, neither the Canucks or Bruins have those assets. He then said if OEL expands his list Calgary has exactly that, Hanifin and 19.

Would you do:

OEL 25% retained - Hanifin + 19?

Would adding Dvorak to the mix make it more palatable?

There is a better chance of Eric Francis winning a Nobel Prize for journalism

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

"It's either Edmonton, or you stay in Arizona". Then if you're OEL, WTF do you do?

That's the beauty of this. The coyotes cannot keep him. They can't afford it. He has to go, but he gets to choose where he goes. If, at the end of the day, the Canucks low-ball offer is the only one on the table, they will take it. Much like the Canucks had to take it with the Kessler and Luongo deals

[TOfan]

Playing devil’s advocate somewhat here, but is OEL’s value being underrated? His game has dropped off for the past two years or so, but he has also lost his mother during that time period and playing for one of the most dysfunctional organizations in the league for the past decade, at least, has to have had some affect.

Friedman has stated that there are a few hockey executives who think OEL is a prime ‘change of scenery’ candidate. Last high profile ‘change of scenery’ candidate off the top of my head was Ryan O’Rielly. The Flames are getting ripped by quite a few here nowadays because they didn’t acquire ROR.

As far as Hanifin goes, I think he’s topped out or near the top. He’s a good 3-4, but I’m not convinced he’s going to get beyond that. The fact the Flames had him included to their Hall deal and the fact he was bumped altogether from the PP once Gustafsson arrived speaks to where the Flames see him. Expendable.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

There is a better chance of Eric Francis winning a Nobel Prize for journalism

Hanifin + Tkuchuk!! No thanks

Doh, quoted the wrong post

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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TOfan

As far as Hanifin goes, I think he’s topped out or near the top. He’s a good 3-4, but I’m not convinced he’s going to get beyond that. The fact the Flames had him included to their Hall deal and the fact he was bumped altogether from the PP once Gustafsson arrived speaks to where the Flames are him. Expendable.

I said it in the Valimaki thread, I think they view Vali as an immediate top 4 LHD option as well, which is another reason why they could be comfortable moving Hanifin for the right price.

I think the Flames will add a top 4 right shot D or at least a D that plays top 4 right hand side (Brodie, Barrie, Vatanen or PIE in the sky PIE) and then look to move Noah for either futures or top 6 forward help depending on whether they can snag Hall or not.

It allocates cap to where it's needed more, cleans up the expansion protection list on D and opens up a spot for Valimaki to play a top 4 role.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I know most will he up in arms over this (and maybe already discussed a few pages back), but at the start of Scott Rintoul’s show yesterday he had cited a writer from Arizona had said the Coyotes are looking for a D who is playing now and a first for OEL.

He then went on to say, neither the Canucks or Bruins have those assets. He then said if OEL expands his list Calgary has exactly that, Hanifin and 19.

Would you do:

OEL 25% retained - Hanifin + 19?

Would adding Dvorak to the mix make it more palatable?

lol at the Flames giving up the 1st in the deal while giving up the younger, cheaper player who essentially provides the same on-ice impact.

Who is holding the gun to Treliving's head to make such a trade?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I said it in the Valimaki thread, I think they view Vali as an immediate top 4 LHD option as well, which is another reason why they could be comfortable moving Hanifin for the right price.

I think the Flames will add a top 4 right shot D or at least a D that plays top 4 right hand side (Brodie, Barrie, Vatanen or PIE in the sky PIE) and then look to move Noah for either futures or top 6 forward help depending on whether they can snag Hall or not.

It allocates cap to where it's needed more, cleans up the expansion protection list on D and opens up a spot for Valimaki to play a top 4 role.

I agree. I think the Flames are 95% there with Valamaki stepping into the second pairing this season. Every time I’ve heard Brian Burke talk about Valamaki, he refers to him as a top 4 guy already. Anyone else close to the team speaks of him on a way that would suggest he is a lock to step in and make an impact.

My hunch is it’s already underway. With him playing in Finland now, they’re banking on him to be good to go. Of all the chatter around the Flames, I think Hanifin is the most likely to go this offseason. If the Flames can leverage that asset for a top 6 or upgrade on D, RHS preferred, I’m betting they pull the trigger.

[timbit]

23 yr old (5th OA) D , that has played nearly 400 NHL games, has reached his peak?


Not very likely.

[klikitiklik]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

Hanifin + Tkuchuk!! No thanks

Doh, quoted the wrong post

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What's the context of that trade proposal? For whom?

[dammage79]

If anything, Kylington becomes trade bait instead of Hanifin. A top 3 LD set up of Vali, Hanifin and Gio is outright amazing in the grand scheme of things. We just need to round out RD and middle 6 RW. And a goalie. That all can be done with minimal tinkering. If thats the way Tree is approaching this offseason. Which I think is the case after listening to his Skype availability yesterday.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

lol at the Flames giving up the 1st in the deal while giving up the younger, cheaper player who essentially provides the same on-ice impact.

Who is holding the gun to Treliving's head to make such a trade?

Just going off what Rintoul said. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Also suggested OEL was at 25% retained, so the difference there is approximately 1.1 million. Until Hanifin registers some Norris votes, I’m not convinced he’s in the same stratosphere as OEL. What’s the quality of competition each face? Haven’t looked but I’ll go out on a limb and say Hanifin is sheltered in comparison and still hasn’t come close to the same numbers as OEL.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by timbit

23 yr old (5th OA) D , that has played nearly 400 NHL games, has reached his peak?


Not very likely.

Honest question, are you seeing improvement?

He looks like the same player that arrived two seasons ago to me. I have a hard time believing anyone would take him over his draft D peers (Provorov, Chabot, Wierinski) five years later.

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah I also find OEL to be massively under rated on here.

The guy is pretty much a lock for double digit goals and 40+ points from the back end while logging top pairing minutes against the leagues best players. He's also a good skater, has good size and isn't afraid to play physical either.

While his AAV is a touch high, he's signed thru his 29-35 year old seasons which is not crazy at all. It'd be a different story if the contract covered his 32-39 year old seasons IMO.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Honest question, are you seeing improvement?

He looks like the same player that arrived two seasons ago to me. I have a hard time believing anyone would take him over his draft D peers (Provorov, Chabot, Wierinski) five years later.

I saw improvement in the playoffs. Hanifin + Andersson was the best hockey Hanifin has played as a Flame.

Now I'm not even sure that it was individual growth from Hanifin, it may very well have been related to simply playing him with someone other than Hamonic - but that's another reason why I'm not moving Hanifin. There's no pressure on us to move Hanifin at this stage. The move would only be done if it clearly makes the team better - does OEL do that? It's not a clear upgrade, and definitely not one that would need us to include a 1st round pick.