10-03-2020, 10:32 AM
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#61
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
Great signing by Vegas. Let’s see how they get rid of Fleury
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To Flames: Fleury + 2nd
To Vegas: Big Save Dave
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10-03-2020, 10:33 AM
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#62
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Originally Posted by Geeoff
To Flames: Fleury + 2nd
To Vegas: Big Save Dave
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I would want a first to take on $5.5 million in additional salary. Vegas doesn't have a second this year.
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10-03-2020, 10:35 AM
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#63
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
I would want a first to take on $5.5 million in additional salary. Vegas doesn't have a second this year.
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1 year cap-dump of $6M last year was a 1st round pick.
1 year cap-dump of $5.75M this year cost a 2nd round pick.
2 years of $7M? That’s a 1st rounder at the minimum
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10-03-2020, 10:58 AM
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#64
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First Line Centre
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This signing is great news for us.
We should be able to get Markstrom at under 6.
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10-03-2020, 11:19 AM
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#65
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geeoff
To Flames: Fleury + 2nd
To Vegas: Big Save Dave
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10-03-2020, 12:22 PM
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#66
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#1 Goaltender
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Fairly confident in saying Vegas made the best signing of the off-season before it truly even started
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10-03-2020, 12:25 PM
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#67
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Such a solid deal for the golden knights, and Lehner, finally, gets some term.
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10-03-2020, 12:38 PM
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#68
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL
Fairly confident in saying Vegas made the best signing of the off-season before it truly even started
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That is probably true, but I am very interested now in seeing how they make this work. VGK is already over the cap with roster spots left to fill. Obviously, they will be moving MAF, but I don't see how that will not also cost them significant assets.
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10-03-2020, 12:45 PM
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#69
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
1 year cap-dump of $6M last year was a 1st round pick.
1 year cap-dump of $5.75M this year cost a 2nd round pick.
2 years of $7M? That’s a 1st rounder at the minimum
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It's not that simple, either, because for a lot of teams in the current environment who won't be cap teams, the actual salary is far more important than the cap hit. A player with a $5Mx2 AAV who's only owed $4M in total actual dollars, for example, is going to cost a lot less to get rid of than someone who's owed the dollars reflected in the cap hit in the form of a bonus.
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10-03-2020, 02:32 PM
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#70
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
1 year cap-dump of $6M last year was a 1st round pick.
1 year cap-dump of $5.75M this year cost a 2nd round pick.
2 years of $7M? That’s a 1st rounder at the minimum
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Marleau was a pure cap dump.
Staal was mostly cap dump, but he has a sliver of value to DET as a veteran presence
MAF still plays as well as any 4-5M goalie, so the cap dump is closer to 2M x 2 yrs
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10-04-2020, 03:44 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Not only is he a top 3 goalie but he takes a more than fair contract after betting on himself and winning 2 years in a row. This is the guy I really wanted for the Flames. Oh well, should set a value for the other goalies going forward. Maybe that will help the Flames.
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10-04-2020, 04:47 PM
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#72
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Franchise Player
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Vegas is a top 3 UFA destination...maybe #1 right now
Their deals do not set the market
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10-04-2020, 04:49 PM
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#73
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: May 2008
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Bidding war for Markstrom, he will get more $$$$.
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10-04-2020, 05:00 PM
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#74
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UnModerator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Vegas is a top 3 UFA destination...maybe #1 right now
Their deals do not set the market
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He says, praying that it's true and they still have a shot at any goalie other than Cam Talbot.
Markstrom will get more if he's willing to sacrifice an NTC/NMC, otherwise he'll get close to this amount now.
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10-04-2020, 05:14 PM
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#75
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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I think Markstrom deserves a lot of money, but he doesn't deserve term. Not enough of a track record. Also kind of old.
Lehner deserved a high AAV and long term. He clearly took a discount and has been elite for several years now.
But if the Flames are going to compete with Vegas, a division rival, they can't just blatantly offer larger contracts to worse players.
The Flames can't keep trading picks for rentals. At least when Vegas does this, they almost always end up extending the players. In this case, Vegas extended the player to a steal of a deal.
The Flames are better off just hoarding picks, drafting and developing well, signing the young RFAs to good deals, and then trading away older players rather than losing them as UFAs.
The Flames can't really do Vegas's strategy of acquiring and extending rentals. Lehner signs a hometown discount. Gustaffson demands market price. That's a huge difference (albeit a small sample size). Last year the Flames traded for UFA Fantenberg and lost him for nothing. Meanwhile, Vegas acquired and extended Stone (and he's probably overpaid due to the flat cap, but no one could have known).
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10-04-2020, 05:21 PM
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#76
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
...But if the Flames are going to compete with Vegas, a division rival, they can't just blatantly offer larger contracts to worse players...
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I think the word you are searching for is "flagrantly".
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10-04-2020, 06:51 PM
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#77
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
I think the word you are searching for is "flagrantly".
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What are you, some kind of text crit... Oh right. Carry on.
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10-04-2020, 07:06 PM
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#78
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UnModerator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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Originally Posted by getbak
What are you, some kind of text crit... Oh right. Carry on.
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No, don't take it like that from him! Fight the power! Fight the power!
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10-04-2020, 08:21 PM
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#79
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Blaster86
He says, praying that it's true and they still have a shot at any goalie other than Cam Talbot.
Markstrom will get more if he's willing to sacrifice an NTC/NMC, otherwise he'll get close to this amount now.
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Markstrom can get more $$$ and the NMC...just depends if he wants to move.
Lehner has good numbers on good defensive teams...his Chicago numbers aren't too hot.
Markstrom's numbers are all playing for that 60 shot against a night joke to the west.
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10-04-2020, 09:21 PM
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UnModerator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Markstrom can get more $$$ and the NMC...just depends if he wants to move.
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I love Markstrom. Think he's morphed into an absolutely stud goalie. He's also going to be 30+ on this contract and has had some injury issues in back to back seasons.
If a team wants to offer big money and an NMC then more power too them. I'll be sad to see him go, but when Markstrom was brought in he was always a stop gap for Demko. Hey played well beyond what was expected and morphed beyond that "Stop gap" tag into a true #1. But if Demko is ready now, then we save money at a time we need to save it.
Still expect him to be an Av if he isn't a Canuck.
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