09-30-2020, 12:07 PM
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#121
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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I wonder if UFAs will look for term in replacement of AAV that won't be available.
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09-30-2020, 12:17 PM
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#122
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Draft Pick
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden
I wonder if UFAs will look for term in replacement of AAV that won't be available.
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My guess is that the top UFA will get lower AAV than a typical year, but the bonus structure will be there to help mitigate the loss from escrow.
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09-30-2020, 12:28 PM
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#123
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden
I wonder if UFAs will look for term in replacement of AAV that won't be available.
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If the AAV is reduced, you want less term, not more.
I think we are going to see a lot of 1 and 2 year deals.
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09-30-2020, 12:33 PM
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#124
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
If the AAV is reduced, you want less term, not more.
I think we are going to see a lot of 1 and 2 year deals.
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Depends on the tier of free agent.
If you're a top end guy like Hall or Pietrangelo and nobody gives you $8M+ in AAV then maybe you look at $7M for 1-2 years.
But if you're a mid term guy I could see term becoming a lever, especially for guys 29+.
If you're a guy who maybe would have got $4M on a 3 year term before, you'd be willing to do $3M on a 5 year term just to lock in that $15M.
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09-30-2020, 12:44 PM
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#125
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
If the AAV is reduced, you want less term, not more.
I think we are going to see a lot of 1 and 2 year deals.
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This will be very interesting to watch.
I'm thinking we might not see as many deals on the first day as it seems there are a lot more things to negotiate through.
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09-30-2020, 12:45 PM
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#126
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by sketchyt
Colin Wilson is someone who could come cheap. This season was basically a write off for him, but could potentially bounce back.
I always liked his game going back to Nashville and always wondered when he was going to break out. Never happened, but he could be a cheap 3/4 C option that can play on the wing.
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There is a few guys like that this year. Wilson, Turris, Ryan, Leivo, Sobotka, even Forbort to a degree since he was playing close to top 4 level before his back injury
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09-30-2020, 01:30 PM
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#127
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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My rule for July 1/October 9:
Cheap depth UFAs are always the best UFAs.
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09-30-2020, 01:42 PM
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#128
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Why is no one talking about Gregg McKegg?????
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Because he has a leg for an arm and an arm for a leg.
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09-30-2020, 05:57 PM
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#129
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by getbak
because he has a leg for an arm and an arm for a leg.
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finally!!
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09-30-2020, 06:06 PM
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#130
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Depends on the tier of free agent.
If you're a top end guy like Hall or Pietrangelo and nobody gives you $8M+ in AAV then maybe you look at $7M for 1-2 years.
But if you're a mid term guy I could see term becoming a lever, especially for guys 29+.
If you're a guy who maybe would have got $4M on a 3 year term before, you'd be willing to do $3M on a 5 year term just to lock in that $15M.
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AP could get 8+ from the entire league
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10-01-2020, 10:02 AM
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#131
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Franchise Player
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So is there no Free Agent courting period this year or is that next year?
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10-01-2020, 10:08 AM
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#132
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12
So is there no Free Agent courting period this year or is that next year?
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It's gone forever, effective when they ratified the CBA extension.
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10-01-2020, 10:22 AM
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#133
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Maybe not the most desired goalie by CPers, but I do wonder...Thomas Greiss absolutely loves mountain biking - with the amazing network of trails in the surrounding area, might this be a desired landing spot for him...
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10-01-2020, 11:42 AM
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#134
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cral12
Maybe not the most desired goalie by CPers, but I do wonder...Thomas Greiss absolutely loves mountain biking - with the amazing network of trails in the surrounding area, might this be a desired landing spot for him...
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I can't imagine he has much time/energy for that during the season. That's an off season activity.
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10-01-2020, 12:10 PM
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#135
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bax
I can't imagine he has much time/energy for that during the season. That's an off season activity.
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Don't spoil my fun of thinking I could be his local guide to show him around the trails ; )
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10-02-2020, 12:03 AM
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#136
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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I saw something last week where the Contract structure could look quite different for a guy like Pietrangelo in that the lowest paid years could be the first few years when escrow is expected to be higher, and higher salaries that are mostly bonus money at the backend to make it buyout proof
The flat cap is not going to result in the league rolling back contract numbers by 20% type of thing. The reported value of Contracts will likely be similar to the past 3 seasons in terms of the numbers. So for guys like Pietrangelo and Hall, their best bet is to sign a longer term deal because the next 3 seasons are the ones that teams will want out of them, and they'll likely be willing to put money in deals later on to get them for these seasons.
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10-02-2020, 12:29 AM
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#137
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
I saw something last week where the Contract structure could look quite different for a guy like Pietrangelo in that the lowest paid years could be the first few years when escrow is expected to be higher, and higher salaries that are mostly bonus money at the backend to make it buyout proof
The flat cap is not going to result in the league rolling back contract numbers by 20% type of thing. The reported value of Contracts will likely be similar to the past 3 seasons in terms of the numbers. So for guys like Pietrangelo and Hall, their best bet is to sign a longer term deal because the next 3 seasons are the ones that teams will want out of them, and they'll likely be willing to put money in deals later on to get them for these seasons.
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Except we are already hearing teams talk about cutting payroll and spending only to the cap mid-point around 70m
Last edited by Crown Royal; 10-02-2020 at 12:31 AM.
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10-02-2020, 08:12 AM
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#138
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flamesm
My guess is that the top UFA will get lower AAV than a typical year, but the bonus structure will be there to help mitigate the loss from escrow.
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The top UFAs are exempt from bonuses. These are available only on ELCs and +35 contracts.
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10-02-2020, 09:47 AM
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#139
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Crown Royal
Except we are already hearing teams talk about cutting payroll and spending only to the cap mid-point around 70m
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We will see if they actually have the discipline to do that. I do not think that really has the impact on guys like Pietrangelo and Hall. But as you start working down the list than the it likely starts to have a bit more of an impact. The 2 to 4 million dollar a year guys who are closer to a replacement level player who likely find that the salary and term being offered to them maybe not being what they expected.
Still for a top player who's 29 or 30 years old, taking less money on a 2 year deal, in hopes of another bigger payday in two years would be pretty risky, when there should be pretty attractive 7 year deals on the table today that carry a lot of guarantees.
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10-02-2020, 10:56 AM
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#140
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
I saw something last week where the Contract structure could look quite different for a guy like Pietrangelo in that the lowest paid years could be the first few years when escrow is expected to be higher, and higher salaries that are mostly bonus money at the backend to make it buyout proof
The flat cap is not going to result in the league rolling back contract numbers by 20% type of thing. The reported value of Contracts will likely be similar to the past 3 seasons in terms of the numbers. So for guys like Pietrangelo and Hall, their best bet is to sign a longer term deal because the next 3 seasons are the ones that teams will want out of them, and they'll likely be willing to put money in deals later on to get them for these seasons.
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Is escrow a function of salary, or a function of AAV? If it is AAV, having lower salaries in the first years would be irrelevant. If it is based on salary, then this would work and we could see some contracts structured this way.
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