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Nelson · 10-02-2020, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Apparently Jimmy Hayes is now saying

To Philly: Gaudreau, Bennett
To Calgary: Voracek, Gostisbehere, Frost

Flames take on over $4M in cap space and give up by far the best player. Can’t be true simply can’t be

I don't understand how getting another left handed defenceman makes sense unless you're sending out Gio or Hanifin. If you subbed Philippe Myers in for Gostisbehere, I might do that trade.

The Pros

But I probably like Voracek a lot more than most people on here. I honestly think Voracek might help the team quite a bit. Corsica has him ranked as the 14th best RW in the NHL. Corsica has Gaudreau ranked as the 19th best LW in the NHL, and it has Lindholm ranked as the 19th best RW in the NHL, for perspective.

Myers is a young RHD with the ability to play in the top 4.

And I've always been a pretty big Frost fan.

The Cons

Voracek's contract.

Monahammer · 10-02-2020, 10:00 AM

Jimmy Hayes is as much an insider as I am.

That trade is disgusting. I do want a core shakeup but not to make the team noticeably worse and more expensive lol. Wrong direction.

Erick Estrada · 10-02-2020, 10:01 AM

The Voracek smoke really worries me as his name keeps coming up. These rumours bring back memories of the Phaneuf trade where the Flames got quantity for a quality asset. It's just poor asset management if something like this goes down.

ComixZone · 10-02-2020, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

It's debatable if Johnny has more trade value that Konecny, but regardless of where you fall on that debate, the difference is not Frost.

Konecny's career best is 61 points (in 66 games). Johnny's career worst is 58 points (in 70 games). By 23, Johnny had posted 64, 78, and 61 point seasons. Konecny at 23 has 28, 47, 49, and 61 points.

Johnny is the better player. He also drives our offense. The difference is at least Frost - basing trade value off last season alone is selling low on Johnny, and should not be done. Keep him if that's the best you're getting offered.

Strange Brew · 10-02-2020, 10:05 AM

So Konecny has 1 goal in 22 "playoff" games. He's still awfully young but maybe that's why Phlliy might consider dealing him.

But I wouldn't be surprised if Voracek and Ghost are the NHLers in play here.

Bonded · 10-02-2020, 10:07 AM

Want nothing to do with Voracek or Ghost

Textcritic · 10-02-2020, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Voracek smoke really worries me as his name keeps coming up. These rumours bring back memories of the Phaneuf trade where the Flames got quantity for a quality asset. It's just poor asset management if something like this goes down.

Does it actually? I think the only time I have seen him mentioned are in guesses from HFBoards and in Jimmy Hayes's useless "insider" speculations. I have yet to see any remotely credible sources make mention of a Voracek/Calgary trade connection.

Strange Brew · 10-02-2020, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Nelson

I don't understand how getting another left handed defenceman makes sense unless you're sending out Gio or Hanifin. If you subbed Philippe Myers in for Gostisbehere, I might do that trade.

At this point, my two cents says Kuemper or Hall have a better chance of being a Flame next year than Hanifin.

Niemo · 10-02-2020, 10:09 AM

Voracek and Ghost are 2 players that I don't want from Philly at all....not even for free.

I'd rather take 33 yr old Giroux.

Demetric · 10-02-2020, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Apparently Jimmy Hayes is now saying

To Philly: Gaudreau, Bennett
To Calgary: Voracek, Gostisbehere, Frost

Flames take on over $4M in cap space and give up by far the best player. Can’t be true simply can’t be

replace bennet with Lucic ...

MrMike · 10-02-2020, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Niemo

Voracek and Ghost are 2 players that I don't want from Philly at all....not even for free.

I'd rather take 33 yr old Giroux.

They should be looked at as negative value.

Toonage · 10-02-2020, 10:12 AM

On the bright side. Cost certainty.

Also certain? Mediocrity.

Seriously though, I can't see it happening. Voracek alone screws up the internal cap structure.

MrMike · 10-02-2020, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Demetric

replace bennet with Lucic ...

And add another high end prospect or a first and second round pick.

Monahammer · 10-02-2020, 10:18 AM

I would take Voracek or Ghost as part of the trade for salary reasons, but not both.

Voracek+Myers+Frost for Gaudreau+Kylington would be an acceptable trade in my eyes.

Gaudreau+Bennett for Ghost+Frost+Patrick+1st 2020 is not so great but I could stomach.

I don't really love the idea of trading with Philly. I don't think they will give up Konecny.

ComixZone · 10-02-2020, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Niemo

Voracek and Ghost are 2 players that I don't want from Philly at all....not even for free.

I'd rather take 33 yr old Giroux.

I'm not that sour towards Voracek as a player - but as a key part in the return for Gaudreau? It is vomit inducing. Particularly with a flat-cap, Voracek just doesn't provide value on his contract. He's 31 years old (32 in August 2021), locked in at $8.25M AAV for the next 4 years and is a 20 goal/60 point...that's horrible value, especially when you look at the natural age-related decline that will undoubtedly begin taking a toll on him.

You aren't competing for ANYTHING when you're spending $5.25M on Lucic and $8.25M on Voracek.

djsFlames · 10-02-2020, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Niemo

Voracek and Ghost are 2 players that I don't want from Philly at all....not even for free.

I'd rather take 33 yr old Giroux.

Its a cost I wouldn't stomach just to pick up Frost.

Its also a proposal that makes no sense whatsoever. Giving up the best player, as well as your teams best playoff performer and doing the other team a favor picking up two of their less liked contracts. Didn't realize our organization was a massive doormat in the view of Philly people.

Blaster86 · 10-02-2020, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbob

OEL at 50% would be around a cap hit slightly over 4.1M. OEL at that cap hit for 6 years, or what ever it is, would be a coup and not worth taking on the anchor that is Eriksson. I guess what I am saying, is expect the worse and enjoy some cap hell in the future.

Hah! I have an inside source that the Canucks are going to get him at a 2 mil retained for Eriksson, Sutter, Beagle and a 2nd round pick.

The inside source is the voice in my head telling me everything is going to be okay.

ricardodw · 10-02-2020, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

How would that be different than any other long term deal where a player doesn't switch teams?

It would have been signed and done by now.

Either Brodie or the team or both don't feel that Brodie as a Flame is the best fit.

The Flames have not had significant success over Brodie's career. The team obviously wants to upgrade or at least change and Brodie coming back especially on anything more than a 2 year deal is saying that mediocre is okay

btimbit · 10-02-2020, 10:40 AM

The Hayes brothers are massive jokesters. Don't take that too serious

ricardodw · 10-02-2020, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

I look forward to seeing you apply this insinuation consistently to every pending UFA from here on out.

Only the ones that have the whole league to pick from and head back to their original team.