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dammage79 · 10-01-2020, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Leslie agreed with Francis that Gaudreau wanted to move on from here when he hit his contract year. Johnny Gaudreau said he loves Calgary and could see him playing his whole career there. So you are telling me that Eric Francis knows more about what Johnny Gaudreau is thinking than Johnny Gaudreau? Lol.

No, again, Leslie said it first. Don't mix things up.

Robbob · 10-01-2020, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Crown Royal

He absolutely did not play like a #7

Gio played 22:42 per night, 3:23 of that on the PK. He was on the ice for 3 PP goals against and 7 ES goals against. The same amount of ES goals against as Brodie, Forbort, Andersson, and 1 more than Hanifin. His 3 PPGA was better than Brodie and Forbort and 1 more than Andersson. As I am not one of those live the Analytics, die by the Analytics folks, I might be reading his SAT Percentages (on NHL.com) wrong, but it looks to me he was better than Brodie in almost all of those stats. His physical play wasn't all that great, but he also lead the team in shots blocked by 33% which is a sign he got in the shooting lanes.

Literally nothing about them says he was near #7

Exactly, I know its been a bit since the series ended, but reflecting back on it now I don't see the huge regression some people are talking about. His contract being called an anchor is just as out there as calling him a #7.

GioforPM · 10-01-2020, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dajazz

I’m hoping I am proved wrong, but he was in steady decline since that monster season. If he can’t return to form that contract is indeed an albatross.

"Since that monster season" = less than one full normal season.

This year Gio had .51 ppg. The 2 years before his Norris season he was .41 and .46. No one was complaining in those years.

Gio's contract is less than McDonough, Seabrook, Vlasic, Weber, OEL, Subban, Doughty and he produced better than all those guys. And in most cases his contract isn't as bad going forward.

This is not an albatross contact.

Gaskal · 10-01-2020, 11:30 AM

Gio's definitely got to the point of: mind still sharp but the body is having troubles keeping up. And it wasn't just playoffs, was regular season too.

Calls to pinch along the boards are going awful because he's getting beat to the puck by a second whereas a season or two ago he gets there and that puck is easily hammered back behind the net.

Point shots that would have tested the goalie or beat them would instead rebound off a stick or shinpad harmlessly because the defender has an extra second or so to get in the lane.

Streaking forwards that would have been stonewalled right at the blue line in days gone by are either beating him clean more often or drawing untimely obstruction penalties because he's slowing down.

I think he will be a very serviceable 2nd pairing defenseman for the rest of his career with the Flames but to expect him to man 1st pairing minutes competently is wishful thinking from here on out.

sureLoss · 10-01-2020, 11:31 AM

Russo reporting that the Wild might be close to trading Dubnyk and Donato to the Sharks pending on Dubnyk waiving his NTC:
https://theathletic.com/2104772/2020...e&redirected=1

He thinks a high draft pick is going back to the Wild. Sharks have the 31st OA, 34th OA, and 56th OA.

dammage79 · 10-01-2020, 11:32 AM

Meh, Gio is at a worst case scenario, left unprotected in the expansion draft. He might fall off a cliff but they made trade to specifically manage Gios ice time. So I suspect that'll be the plan moving forward as well. Which is fine, the Flames have some kids chomping hard at the bit for more responsibility. And tree just loves his defensive depth. So their bases will be covered.

GioforPM · 10-01-2020, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Russo reporting that the Wild may have traded Dubnyk and Donato to the Sharks pending on Dubnyk waiving his NTC:
https://theathletic.com/2104772/2020...e&redirected=1

That's an easy waive for Dubnyk. San Jose is the veteran's paradise.

dammage79 · 10-01-2020, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Russo reporting that the Wild may have traded Dubnyk and Donato to the Sharks pending on Dubnyk waiving his NTC:
https://theathletic.com/2104772/2020...e&redirected=1

He thinks a high draft pick is going back to the Wild. Sharks have the 31st OA and two 2nd rounders in the 2020 draft.

What do the Wild get? Interesting deal for the Sharks. Jones Dubnyk tandem is pretty decent. Takes a ton of pressure off of Jones.

Monahammer · 10-01-2020, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Russo reporting that the Wild may have traded Dubnyk and Donato to the Sharks pending on Dubnyk waiving his NTC:
https://theathletic.com/2104772/2020...e&redirected=1

Wow that's a lot of cap space for not good goal tending in SJ. What are they thinking!

dissentowner · 10-01-2020, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

To be perfectly clear. Leslie said point blank Gaudreau will not sign again in CGY. Emphatically. Nothing about being traded.

I too believe Gaudreau is being shopped. But let's not mix things up.

Dissentowner is just plugging the ears and creaming la la la la la, because he doesn't want to hear it. No big deal. We have done it it for a Flames player before. I went off about Hudler.

So you too think Ryan Leslie knows more about what Gaudreau is thinking than Gaudreau? Yes, that makes total sense. If Eric Francis said the sky was red Ryan Leslie would agree with him. All I have ever heard from Leslie is regurgitation of what Francis says. Leslie said that before Gaudreau came out after the year was over to make it very clear he was happy playing in Calgary and there was nothing to him wanting to go back out East. It is absolutely laughable to try and lend any credibility to the speculation by Leslie and Francis after that.

sureLoss · 10-01-2020, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

That's an easy waive for Dubnyk. San Jose is the veteran's paradise.

As the article states school issues for the kids and his wife's health may be why it would be difficult for him to waive.

dissentowner · 10-01-2020, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

No, again, Leslie said it first. Don't mix things up.

Nope. Go listen to TheScorpions interview with them. Francis was tooting that horn before Leslie. Regardless like I said, laughable to believe speculation over the actual person being speculated about.

bax · 10-01-2020, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

What do the Wild get? Interesting deal for the Sharks. Jones Dubnyk tandem is pretty decent. Takes a ton of pressure off of Jones.

Jone and Dubnyk is far from a decent tandem? They both struggled mightily last year.

That's over 10 million in cap space tied up in save percentages of 0.890 and 0.896.

I guess there's always a chance at one of them rebounding, but it's far from decent on the surface. If you want to take pressure off of Jones, I don't think acquiring a goalie that was actually worse than him last year is the way to go.

dammage79 · 10-01-2020, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

So you too think Ryan Leslie knows more about what Gaudreau is thinking than Gaudreau? Yes, that makes total sense. If Eric Francis said the sky was red Ryan Leslie would agree with him. All I have ever heard from Leslie is regurgitation of what Francis says. Leslie said that before Gaudreau came out after the year was over to make it very clear he was happy playing in Calgary and there was nothing to him wanting to go back out East. It is absolutely laughable to try and lend any credibility to the speculation by Leslie and Francis after that.

Well, I have seen and heard with mine own eyes and ears that Ryan Leslie is thick with the players. So whatever you want to believe is totally fine. But I believe Leslie. He doesn't go around hard stamping his opinions ever. Except this one time. Kind of odd for him to do so actually. But he did. So yes, I do believe he knows a thing or two about a thing or two with the players.

GioforPM · 10-01-2020, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

As the article states school issues for the kids and his wife's health may be why it would be difficult for him to waive.

Paywall, so I couldnt read it.

Well, it's only a year on his contract so he might waive, go play and continue to live in Minnie (weird).

What kind of health issues are better in Minnie than SJ?

Jiri Hrdina · 10-01-2020, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nope. Go listen to TheScorpions interview with them. Francis was tooting that horn before Leslie. Regardless like I said, laughable to believe speculation over the actual person being speculated about.

Well Johnny isn't going to come out and say he's not going to re-sign is he? What players say about this stuff actually matters very little. They are trained to say nothing.

tknez16 · 10-01-2020, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nope. Go listen to TheScorpions interview with them. Francis was tooting that horn before Leslie. Regardless like I said, laughable to believe speculation over the actual person being speculated about.

Every player, when asked about their team, says they love playing there. That’s just good media sense.

There’s too much smoke around him not re-signing to take an interview like that as gospel.

dissentowner · 10-01-2020, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Well, I have seen and heard with mine own eyes and ears that Ryan Leslie is thick with the players. So whatever you want to believe is totally fine. But I believe Leslie. He doesn't go around hard stamping his opinions ever. Except this one time. Kind of odd for him to do so actually. But he did. So yes, I do believe he knows a thing or two about a thing or two with the players.

Maybe he does but you are arguing in favour about what he speculated against what the player came out and cleared up. Himself. I tend to believe Johnny Gaudreau knows more about how he feels about playing in Calgary and his desire to stay there over someone speculating about it.

dissentowner · 10-01-2020, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well Johnny isn't going to come out and say he's not going to re-sign is he? What players say about this stuff actually matters very little. They are trained to say nothing.

He certainly would not come out and say what he did. Why would he? Why would he go to the extent he did to clear it up? If he wanted to go back East he definitely would not have said the things he said, he would just say something short and small. If he was fudging everyone on it why would he tell Ryan Leslie, a person who speaks to the public all the time the exact opposite knowing it would get out? It makes zero sense.

Textcritic · 10-01-2020, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Russo reporting that the Wild might be close to trading Dubnyk and Donato to the Sharks pending on Dubnyk waiving his NTC:
https://theathletic.com/2104772/2020...e&redirected=1

He thinks a high draft pick is going back to the Wild. Sharks have the 31st OA, 34th OA, and 56th OA.

The Sharks are so screwed. The last thing they should be doing is shedding picks for veterans right now.