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Old 09-30-2020, 10:56 AM   #4801
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Dems ran the guy who polled best against Trump in the swing states

Biden is doing better than Hillary in the polls at this point and it's unlikely he is under investigation by the FBI 4 days before the election
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Old 09-30-2020, 10:57 AM   #4802
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The debate was the worst rap battle I have ever seen. Zero flow, not rhyming, and the insults were mediocre at best.
I did hear Trump preface one of his ramblings with "I'm about to end this man's whole career" .. but he's not a politician
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I don't think this was a good thing for Biden to put out.. People were ripping Trump for being childish and this looks on his level.


https://twitter.com/user/status/1311278369296719872
I would agree, but this is where things are these days. Embarrassing people has become the main way to show power. Pwners get respect from the younger generations.

It is a pretty lame attempt though and I don't think Biden's group can out troll Trump's group.
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Old 09-30-2020, 11:04 AM   #4805
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Trump is probably a bit of both, honestly. You don't have to go back 30 years to find a reasonable presidential debate that doesn't seem like a circus act, you can go back 8.

The disconnectedness and AI manipulation of social media definitely has it's share of blame for the state of the country as a whole, but if we're talking about the ####show that elections and leaders have become in America, Trump shares a huge part of the blame.

As they said on the Hill, he's a chaos agent. That's why the GOP chose him, that's why he beat Hillary, and that's part of the reason America is in the state it's in and the role of the President and the election to decide that has become a farce – his sole quality is chaos.
Yup it started before that, probably when he came down that escalator and called Mexican immigrants rapists. The media latched onto it, gave him all the free airtime he ever wanted. He started at 1%. Then at the first Republican debate he was asked the first question, the most questions, given the most speaking time over established candidates. Then the exchange with Megyn Kelly. All to boost ratings.
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Yes and what do the Democrats do? Run a career politician.
Sure, and while I thought Biden was a pretty terrible choice, there has to be a lot of people that went for "something different" that now regret that choice because it's been a disaster.

Then again nothing surprises me anymore.

Regardless of which party you typically vote for, Trump is easily one of the worst, least intelligent presidents of all time.
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Old 09-30-2020, 11:18 AM   #4807
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You don't have to go back that far. Even Bush-Gore 2000 or Obama-Romney 2012. Any debate without Trump. It's all on youtube.

The media allows this now. They want the Trump ratings. He's the entertainer.

Even Trump-Clinton 2016

I went and re-watched bits of the 3rd Clinton-Trump debate because I was thinking to myself during last nights debate "was he this bad in 2016?".

...he wasn't, Trump came out even more aggressive this go-around than during his debates with Clinton and I thought Biden owned him.
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WTF happened to that country?
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Fox News, Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch are what happened... though they just tapped into existing grievances, they legitimized them and gave them an echo chamber to reinforce them...
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So who's gonna break the news to Tim?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1311333264313978886
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WTF happened to that country?
I've posted it before, but if you actually want to know the answer to this question... here you go.

... well, it's most of the answer, anyway.
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So who's gonna break the news to Tim?

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Honestly I just find that sad.
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So the Proud Blue Boys?
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Goes back before that. Newt Gingrich broke the rules of decorum and ideals of mutual respect. It's been all downhill since then.
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Honestly I just find that sad.

Yes.

Is "And if he didn't misspeak, which side do you stand on" that tough of a follow-up for Tim Scott? It seems like the press is willing to lead his apologists right up to the point where its easy to infer what they mean, but they almost never force them to commit to saying the words outloud.
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Old 09-30-2020, 12:18 PM   #4815
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Biden should bring signs to the next debate. Just let Trump ramble on and on while Biden puts up signs with his policy.

"While Donald interrupts me and bullies the moderator while he lies to Americans, here is my policy on XYZ"
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Biden should bring signs to the next debate. Just let Trump ramble on and on while Biden puts up signs with his policy.

"While Donald interrupts me and bullies the moderator while he lies to Americans, here is my policy on XYZ"
I was thinking the same thing while watchnig it, except my signs were quite a bit ruder, and directed at the clown.
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Sure, and while I thought Biden was a pretty terrible choice, there has to be a lot of people that went for "something different" that now regret that choice because it's been a disaster.

Then again nothing surprises me anymore.

Regardless of which party you typically vote for, Trump is easily one of the worst, least intelligent presidents of all time.
Serious question, who could possibly be worse than him?
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Serious question, who could possibly be worse than him?
Sarah Palin.
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Sarah Palin.
When was she elected president?
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Even Trump-Clinton 2016

I went and re-watched bits of the 3rd Clinton-Trump debate because I was thinking to myself during last nights debate "was he this bad in 2016?".

...he wasn't, Trump came out even more aggressive this go-around than during his debates with Clinton and I thought Biden owned him.
Trump literally launched an attack against Hillary in regards to how her emails were handled and ran a huge part of his campaign based around the concept of 'crooked Hillary.'

"Lock her up, lock her up" was a repeated chant at his rallies.

He isn't even coming close to do anything like that against Biden.
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