2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Disagree entirely- Reinhart, even at a good contract, will never bring the offensive driving ability that Johnny does. That is the reason for the 8th being required.

I actually see Johnny for Reinhart + 8th as being too stacked in our favor, I agree with you there. But not so substantially. Hence my proposal of Johnny + Hanifin for Reinhart+Ristolainen+8th.

Buffalo gets to upgrade on their winger for eichel (Johnny>Reinhart) and their young blueliner (hanifin>Risto) and the flames get a top 10 pick to make up the difference. Meanwhile, the flames can also go out and sign hall.

This achieves 3 important things for our squad:
- Rebalances RHS/LHS in forwards and D
- Gives us controllable assets instead of johnny
- Gives us a shot at a top centre with the 8 pick (or askarov...)

For Buffalo, it gives them two high performing american players who are familiar playing with Eichel. Hopefully enough to keep him happy, which IMO is their only focus at this point.

This deal makes sense if you then sign Hall. But question: why doesn't Buffalo just sign Hall?

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This deal makes sense if you then sign Hall. But question: why doesn't Buffalo just sign Hall?

I assume they will try, but I doubt Hall would want to sign with Buffalo for multiple reasons.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This deal makes sense if you then sign Hall. But question: why doesn't Buffalo just sign Hall?

...because Buffalo is the least, or 2nd least likely place to be chosen by a free agent like Taylor Hall?

[Geeoff]

Imagine if Hall played in Edmonton, Arizona and Buffalo... That's like the whole NHL failure tour

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Imagine if Hall played in Edmonton, Arizona and Buffalo... That's like the whole NHL failure tour

One quick stop in each of Florida and Detroit for the bingo

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

My thought process is that Reinhart is a decent, cost controlled, young player that fills a need. Reinhart would also, most likely, be happy to sign in Calgary long term (western kid). I agree with Matt, the 8th would need to be included (I wasn't suggesting 1 for 1).

Just trying to think of something more realistic, instead of the Eichel(ish) thoughts.

He isn't cost controlled as he needs a new contract.

I am fine with acquiring Reinhart just not as the main piece in the deal. Now if the 8th overall or Cozens were part of the deal that is another story.

Yeah the Eichel talk is fun fantasy talk, but I agree it isn't realistic.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

...because Buffalo is the least, or 2nd least likely place to be chosen by a free agent like Taylor Hall?

$$$$$$$ and a shorter term might convince him.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

$$$$$$$ and a shorter term might convince him.

Taylor has openly spoken about wanting stability and a chance to win. I'm not sure a short term deal is in his wheelhouse - and certainly not with a team that looks to stand 0 chance of winning during that short term deal, particularly because Buffalo won't be operating at the cap ceiling.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

the problem is, the top of the draft is almost the only way to get a 1C, so it's worth a swing IMO.


Even if you get a Sam Bennett, that's still a useful piece.

And the only way to get a #1 center is to get a top two pick in most instances. Unless we suck in an epic way, and win the lottery, we're going to have to find other means to finding a #1 center. You're better off in trying to cherry pick one out of an organization that is trying to take advantage of a window or has expectations of success where they don't want to wait on the development curve.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Are you saying you'd rather than Ristolainen than Sam Reinhart?
If so, I think that's an extremely hot take.

Reinhart is a 2nd line winger that will be overpaid due to riding Eichel's coattails. Risto is a RH 2nd pairing defenseman that would help on the PP and add physicality on our backend, and is already signed. Not sure how that is such a "hot take".

Don't get me wrong, neither would be my ideal choice, but yes, I prefer Ristolainen to Reinhart due to what they provide and their contract situations.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Reinhart is a 2nd line winger that will be overpaid due to riding Eichel's coattails. Risto is a RH 2nd pairing defenseman that would help on the PP and add physicality on our backend, and is already signed. Not sure how that is such a "hot take".

Don't get me wrong, neither would be my ideal choice, but yes, I prefer Ristolainen to Reinhart due to what they provide and their contract situations.

I would take Reinhart over Ristolainen every single day of the week, and twice on Sundays (actually, twice on everyday).

Reinhart actually provides value and drives possession and scoring chances, whereas the possession and scoring chance anchor that Ristolainen is is nothing more than a throw-in cap dump and will provides negative value when he's on the ice.

Anyone who would choose Ristolainen over the two if given the chance has clearly never watched either player play or looked into their numbers.

[Mass_nerder]

Yeah, outside of some snarl, Ristolainen doesn't seem to offer much, especially in a package for our most productive player. If it's a cap dump to help balance salary, fine, but I certainly wouldn't want him to be a key piece.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

One quick stop in each of Florida and Detroit for the bingo

Oilers, Sabres and Coyotes have advanced beyond the first round once since 2007. Florida didn't advance once (last time being 1996).

Detroit did it 6 times, including a Stanley Cup and a finals. Feel like maybe they don't deserve to be on this list...

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Yeah, outside of some snarl, Ristolainen doesn't seem to offer much, especially in a package for our most productive player. If it's a cap dump to help balance salary, fine, but I certainly wouldn't want him to be a key piece.

And Reinhart offers much? Because we desperately need a soft 2nd line RW for Gaudreau?

I am not saying I want Risto. I am saying I want him more than Reinhart. But, I don't want either one. Without riding Eichel jock no one would think anything of Reinhart. Give me a physical 40+ point RHD over a soft 2nd line RW any day of the week.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Yeah, outside of some snarl, Ristolainen doesn't seem to offer much, especially in a package for our most productive player. If it's a cap dump to help balance salary, fine, but I certainly wouldn't want him to be a key piece.

I’d be okay with:

To Buffalo: Gaudreau
To Calgary: 8th, 38th, Ristolainen

and I think it works for both teams. Buffalo cuts what is effectively an extra defenceman (they’ll re-sign Montour for less than they pay Ristolainen), gets a key piece to play with Eichel, and pays a “futures” price that isn’t out of whack.

...Calgary then packs up 8th and 49th and offers it to Ottawa for 5th so they can draft Marco Rossi at 5, and then pick Wiesblatt at 38.

[delayedreflex]

Originally Posted by New Era

And the only way to get a #1 center is to get a top two pick in most instances. Unless we suck in an epic way, and win the lottery, we're going to have to find other means to finding a #1 center. You're better off in trying to cherry pick one out of an organization that is trying to take advantage of a window or has expectations of success where they don't want to wait on the development curve.

Plus if you get the #1 or 2 pick in a crappy year you might just end up with an RNH - he's a decent player and all but no franchise centre.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

And Reinhart offers much? Because we desperately need a soft 2nd line RW for Gaudreau?

I am not saying I want Risto. I am saying I want him more than Reinhart. But, I don't want either one. Without riding Eichel jock no one would think anything of Reinhart. Give me a physical 40+ point RHD over a soft 2nd line RW any day of the week.

I'm not wild about a trade built around either, but I think Reinhardt is significantly better. Reinhardt feels like a complementary piece, vs. Ristolainen being an inclusion to balance salary.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

I'm not wild about a trade built around either, but I think Reinhardt is significantly better. Reinhardt feels like a complementary piece, vs. Ristolainen being a cap dump.

Ristolanen is not a cap dump, he's still a top 4 defenseman that puts up points and plays a physical game. He's far from elite defensively, but calling him a cap dump is a pretty terrible take.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Treliving has never made a trade that bad, so expecting something that bad is a pretty terrible take. That trade is Forsberg for Erat bad.

I never mentioned Tre in my comments, but thanks for the awesome critique. I was referring jokingly to trades involving our star players-Iginla, Bouwmeester, Phaneuf, Gilmour, etc. It feels like when we gear up to trade a big name, we often get disappointed with the return.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Ristolanen is not a cap dump, he's still a top 4 defenseman that puts up points and plays a physical game. He's far from elite defensively, but calling him a cap dump is a pretty terrible take.

Ristolainen is faaaar closer to being a cap dump than he is to being a valuable player.

He's a complete liability defensively and over the last 3 years, he doesn't even rank in the top 60 among D-men in 5v5 points. In fact, he ranks lower than 120th in 5v5 points/60 which is essentially 3rd pair D-numbers even when you don't take into consideration is brutal defense.

Ristolainen is absolutely a cap dump at his cap hit.