2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

To get that core piece the best bet is likely an early draft pick.

I think if you could get Reinhart and 8th overall for Gaudreau as a starting point then that's something the Flames should think about.

Reinhart has lived up to his draft hype but he's a serviceable RW which this team needs, and really the 8th overall pick (in a deep deep draft) should be a core piece on this team within the next 2 seasons.

I think Risto+8 would be a far better trade than Reinhart+8, although, I think we need another piece as well, maybe Mittlestadt.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Why though? I am fine with trading Gaudreau, but Reinhart is the wrong target. Reinhart is basically the bargain bin version of Monahan. Plays well when he has a player to drive offense playing with him, but won't create offense on his own. Ok defensively, not physical, average at best skater. All in all Reinhart is an ok support player, but not a player you build around.

If you a trading Gaudreau at least one of the pieces should end up being a core player you build around. The best bet for that is to get a young forward that can grow into a top 6 role. There is risk involved for sure, but in order to build a winning team sometimes you need to gamble on players

My thought process is that Reinhart is a decent, cost controlled, young player that fills a need. Reinhart would also, most likely, be happy to sign in Calgary long term (western kid). I agree with Matt, the 8th would need to be included (I wasn't suggesting 1 for 1).

Just trying to think of something more realistic, instead of the Eichel(ish) thoughts.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Toonage

And when he kicks the tire this is the sound it will make

"Matthew Tkachuk"

Maybe. It doesn't hurt to kick. They were previously interested in Valimaki. That might be worth considering as a base if there's a 1C available at 5

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Now this is something I hope Treliving is kicking tires on.


One key thing to note is that the Sens are way below the salary floor, so trading for players might be a better option than overpaying mediocre UFAs

Gaudreau for #5 & one of Batherson/Norris/Brown/Brannstrom

[HockeyKhan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Sens Chief Amateur Scout says they are willing to move the 5th OA pick depending on what happens with picks 1-4.

What would we realistically need to add to 19 that the Sens would want to allow us to upgrade from 19 to 5?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by HockeyKhan

What would we realistically need to add to 19 that the Sens would want to allow us to upgrade from 19 to 5?

Probably Valimaki plus.

Reportedly they wanted Valimaki in the Stone trade, probably starts with him in the package.

[Toonage]

Why would the Sens want Valimaki, who has been injured the past 3 years and has not played a full NHL season when they can draft a Valimaki type with the 5OA?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Why would the Sens want Valimaki, who has been injured the past 3 years and has not played a full NHL season when they can draft a Valimaki type with the 5OA?

Well why would they trade the a top 5 pick when they could potentially get any type of player they want?

The answer is they see a drop off talent in the first 4 picks (depending on what the other 3 teams pick) and they could get a decent package for it.

A lot depends on the prospects being offered. Yeah the injuries may hurt Valimaki's value, but they wanted him at one point recently.

[Dan403]

Ristolainen is not good at hockey.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Why would the Sens want Valimaki, who has been injured the past 3 years and has not played a full NHL season when they can draft a Valimaki type with the 5OA?

Because you have a young fully developed player that is ready to step in right now. You don't have to wait two to five years for that player to be ready. If I can find a sucker who is willing to bite on a lottery ticket for a young player who has already shown they are ready for the NHL, I make that trade every time. Yeah, the Sens might get a Valimaki at 5OA, or they could get Olli Juolevi instead. The draft is risk. I would be trading my first every year if I can get a young cost controlled player that will step in and play right away where I have a hole.

[Harry Lime]

If Jamie Drysdale is gone by the fifth pick, and they feel Sanderson is too much of a reach at five, then I could see them moving the fifth for a defensman as the main piece.

If Perfetti is there (if Drysdale is gone, he will be) that would be a trade I'd ponder over for Valimaki. Ottawa might even do Hanifin for five plus, because he is cost controlled and farther in development.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I think Risto+8 would be a far better trade than Reinhart+8, although, I think we need another piece as well, maybe Mittlestadt.

Are you saying you'd rather than Ristolainen than Sam Reinhart?
If so, I think that's an extremely hot take.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Are you saying you'd rather than Ristolainen than Sam Reinhart?
If so, I think that's an extremely hot take.

I think he is saying if we get Risto, we need another piece as well.


Personally, I want nothing to do with getting Ristoleinen in a trade

[Macho0978]

How can anyone come on here and truly evaluate Reinhart for Gaudreau when we have 0 idea of the contract demand? If Reinhart signed a 7 year extension at 6 per year he is worth Johnny 1 for 1 IMO. If his contract creeps north of 6 per year the farther north it goes the more I'd want in return in that deal. Not enough people put enough value in control/existing contract.

There have been a few 1 for 1 deals where players that were perceived as the better player but had less control years on their contract went straight up for a much lessor player who had more control and made less money.

Fiala for Granlund
Domi for Galchenyuk

These are 2 trades that come to mind where Minnesota and Montreal got torched for trading the superior player 1 for 1 for a much lessor player. Both trades worked out great for them and Nashville and Arizona ended up with far less value or nothing for the players they got. Production favored the lessor player in both cases too.

I'm not saying we should trade Gaudreau for Reinhart but if he is willing to sign long term here for a good deal it does become more interesting of a trade. Reinhart may be interested in signing here long term for less than he would in Buffalo. I'd have no problem letting Treliving work his magic signing another young RFA.

If he can snag more in the deal too great but demanding 8th overall and Middlestadt in a trade isn't a must unless Reinhart wants too much money.

[Toonage]

Hey, if the Sens want Valimaki for the 5OA, more power to them. Go for it. As part of a package? If its a package deal I'm not sure other teams couldn't beat what the Flames put together. Our prospect base isn't teeming with blue chippers and to get rid of our high end roster players would be shooting ourselves in the foot at this point.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

How can anyone come on here and truly evaluate Reinhart for Gaudreau when we have 0 idea of the contract demand? If Reinhart signed a 7 year extension at 6 per year he is worth Johnny 1 for 1 IMO. If his contract creeps north of 6 per year the farther north it goes the more I'd want in return in that deal. Not enough people put enough value in control/existing contract.

There have been a few 1 for 1 deals where players that were perceived as the better player but had less control years on their contract went straight up for a much lessor player who had more control and made less money.

Fiala for Granlund
Domi for Galchenyuk

These are 2 trades that come to mind where Minnesota and Montreal got torched for trading the superior player 1 for 1 for a much lessor player. Both trades worked out great for them and Nashville and Arizona ended up with far less value or nothing for the players they got. Production favored the lessor player in both cases too.

I'm not saying we should trade Gaudreau for Reinhart but if he is willing to sign long term here for a good deal it does become more interesting of a trade. Reinhart may be interested in signing here long term for less than he would in Buffalo. I'd have no problem letting Treliving work his magic signing another young RFA.

If he can snag more in the deal too great but demanding 8th overall and Middlestadt in a trade isn't a must unless Reinhart wants too much money.

Well both Lindholm and Hanafin were acquired as RFA's, and it ended up being one of Brad's best moves because of the extensions.

The Flames have always been Reinhart's favorite team. I don't think he'd ask for anything crazy.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by New Era

Because you have a young fully developed player that is ready to step in right now. You don't have to wait two to five years for that player to be ready. If I can find a sucker who is willing to bite on a lottery ticket for a young player who has already shown they are ready for the NHL, I make that trade every time. Yeah, the Sens might get a Valimaki at 5OA, or they could get Olli Juolevi instead. The draft is risk. I would be trading my first every year if I can get a young cost controlled player that will step in and play right away where I have a hole.

the problem is, the top of the draft is almost the only way to get a 1C, so it's worth a swing IMO.


Even if you get a Sam Bennett, that's still a useful piece.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

To get that core piece the best bet is likely an early draft pick.

I think if you could get Reinhart and 8th overall for Gaudreau as a starting point then that's something the Flames should think about.

Reinhart hasnt lived up to his draft hype but he's a serviceable RW which this team needs, and really the 8th overall pick (in a deep deep draft) should be a core piece on this team within the next 2 seasons.

Ok in that case the 8th overall is the main piece in the deal and Reinhart is a throw in.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

How can anyone come on here and truly evaluate Reinhart for Gaudreau when we have 0 idea of the contract demand? If Reinhart signed a 7 year extension at 6 per year he is worth Johnny 1 for 1 IMO. If his contract creeps north of 6 per year the farther north it goes the more I'd want in return in that deal. Not enough people put enough value in control/existing contract.

There have been a few 1 for 1 deals where players that were perceived as the better player but had less control years on their contract went straight up for a much lessor player who had more control and made less money.

Fiala for Granlund
Domi for Galchenyuk

These are 2 trades that come to mind where Minnesota and Montreal got torched for trading the superior player 1 for 1 for a much lessor player. Both trades worked out great for them and Nashville and Arizona ended up with far less value or nothing for the players they got. Production favored the lessor player in both cases too.

I'm not saying we should trade Gaudreau for Reinhart but if he is willing to sign long term here for a good deal it does become more interesting of a trade. Reinhart may be interested in signing here long term for less than he would in Buffalo. I'd have no problem letting Treliving work his magic signing another young RFA.

If he can snag more in the deal too great but demanding 8th overall and Middlestadt in a trade isn't a must unless Reinhart wants too much money.

Disagree entirely- Reinhart, even at a good contract, will never bring the offensive driving ability that Johnny does. That is the reason for the 8th being required.

I actually see Johnny for Reinhart + 8th as being too stacked in our favor, I agree with you there. But not so substantially. Hence my proposal of Johnny + Hanifin for Reinhart+Ristolainen+8th.

Buffalo gets to upgrade on their winger for eichel (Johnny>Reinhart) and their young blueliner (hanifin>Risto) and the flames get a top 10 pick to make up the difference. Meanwhile, the flames can also go out and sign hall.

This achieves 3 important things for our squad:
- Rebalances RHS/LHS in forwards and D
- Gives us controllable assets instead of johnny
- Gives us a shot at a top centre with the 8 pick (or askarov...)

For Buffalo, it gives them two high performing american players who are familiar playing with Eichel. Hopefully enough to keep him happy, which IMO is their only focus at this point.

[GioforPM]

I like the idea of Reinhart, I'm not sure what the deal is though.

As for Hall v. Gaudreau, here's my thinking:

a. Hall has more size and speed which IMO is the way the NHL is going.
b. There may be no better window to sign Hall than now, when he's had an off year, been traded and may be looking for stability.
c. In contrast, this is the last year to have any flexibility to trade Gaudreau.
d. I suspect Gaudreau is going to go UFA anyway, no matter where he goes.