2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[djsFlames]

I think Markstrom has more longevity/consistency with his play to serve as an actual starter compared to our two guys that have been used as 1A/1B which is why i would pursue him (as well as ability to steal games frequently), but I'd be happy with extending Talbot and giving him an increase in workload also. His hiccups be damned, overall he still averaged some very good numbers and gave them a fighting chance against Dallas.

Rittich is good in spurts but hasnt figured out how to overcome the burnout after 30 or so games.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

If getting a prospect more starts for development is done by lending him to another team then its still St Louis' development plan for the player. Boston had nothing to do with it.

I still want to know why should spend money on say Markstrom? Keep Talbot around as a mentor until a young goalie emerges. Lighenting does occasionally strike!

I added more to my post btw

And Binnington went from being a .911 goalie with the STL organization, to .926 with Providence and continued that after returning to the Blues farm club.

They also didn't lend him out to "get him more starts", he was lent out because they felt Copley and Husso were more important to be hands on with. If Copley wasn't traded at that trade deadline in the Shattenkirk deal, Binnington probably doesn't receive a qualifying offer.

As I pointed ou tin the stuff I added in my previous post, I think how much you pay your goalies means more than whether you have developed them because less money on goalies is more money to spend elsewhere. There is a reason only once in that time did a team win the cup with a goalie making more than $6m

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Askarov is the answer to goalie woes, just find a way to get him...

Flames move up to draft him, turn a Russian kid into Russian Kidd.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Icon

Flames move up to draft him, turn a Russian kid into Russian Kidd.

I want to hate you for this but it is really clever.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I never said Hoffman was better. I said he outproduced him and we could get him for less money.

Using +/- is just laughable. But what the hell.... Steve Yzerman was -60 in his first 4 NHL seasons. You know it seems really bad even for a guy on a bad team. Right? Mikael Backlund was -21 in a season where he finished 13th in Selke voting.

If you are going to use +/-, at least look into context.

says my actual NHL stat is laughable and then brings up a 13th place finish for an NHL award voted on by the MEDIA

The same media than gave Ethan Bear Calder votes

-49 for a 30 year old over the last three seasons has me thinking he just might be cheating for offence and could be a reason he "out produced"

There is a reason one guy will be getting a much larger contract where ever they end up

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Hoffman reminds me of Neal, just waiting for production to fall off a cliff and be an awful contract.

Hoffman has one year out of the last six where he didn’t score at least 26 goals.

The guy can score from distance, his shot is elite. If you signed him to a 3-year deal, you’d probably wouldn’t regret it.

Don’t sign anyone in the first week of free agency, as a general rule. I know we could possibly replace Johnny and get a goalie this time out, so it is different.

When the prize is James Neal or Troy Brouwer, someone needs to have the balls to say to Brad “that’s not a prize.”

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Hoffman has one year out of the last six where he didn’t score at least 26 goals.

The guy can score from distance, his shot is elite. If you signed him to a 3-year deal, you’d probably wouldn’t regret it.

Don’t sign anyone in the first week of free agency, as a general rule. I know we could possibly replace Johnny and get a goalie this time out, so it is different.

When the prize is James Neal or Troy Brouwer, someone needs to have the balls to say to Brad “that’s not a prize.”

Neal hadn’t missed 20 goals in his career before Calgary - 10 years.

That said, Hoffman has speed, which I think this team needs badly. Neal did not.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by dino7c

says my actual NHL stat is laughable and then brings up a 13th place finish for an NHL award voted on by the MEDIA

The same media than gave Ethan Bear Calder votes

-49 for a 30 year old over the last three seasons has me thinking he just might be cheating for offence and could be a reason he "out produced"

There is a reason one guy will be getting a much larger contract where ever they end up

The point in bringing up Backlund wasn't the Selke votes, it's the fact we know he is an exceptional defensive player and still had a -21 season.

Being a minus doesn't mean someone is cheating, it could mean the Florida Panthers and Ottawa Senators were simply awful teams with terrible goaltending and defense.

That Sens team where he was -20, saw Karlsson at -25 and only 2 regulars finish as + players and ha da team SV% under .900

His first year with Florida 7 regulars were -10 or worse, with just 2 regulars being + players. Their team sv% was again under .900

This season, he was only -5 and the Panthers had a .904 team sv%

but if you want to look at the other seasons of his career, you know the onles you intentionally left out to cherry pick his minus seasons, when he was a +34 player in that time, those teams put up .916, .916 and .926 sv% seasons.

And let's not forget that in those 6 years, Hall is a -19 with just 1 plus season and Hoffman is -15.

+/- is a really terrible stat. Good defensive players can have a poor+/- and a poor defensive player can have a good +/-. Neither Hoffman nor Hall will ever be considered defensive stalwarts, in fact I'd say they are both average at best.

[Nelson]

Friedman says the NJD would be willing to move 18 and/or 20 for players 26 and under with team control. Interesting because that describes Gaudreau exactly...

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Friedman says the NJD would be willing to move 18 and/or 20 for players 26 and under with team control. Interesting because that describes Gaudreau exactly...

Gaudreau turned 27 in August and two years away from UFA. Doesn't seem to fit him at all.

[robertsfan]

Originally Posted by Icon

Flames move up to draft him, turn a Russian kid into Russian Kidd.

Best thing I’ve read today. Bravo and thank you.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Friedman says the NJD would be willing to move 18 and/or 20 for players 26 and under with team control. Interesting because that describes Gaudreau exactly...

How? He is neither of those things.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Gaudreau turned 27 in August and two years away from UFA. Doesn't seem to fit him at all.

He IS 27. I didn’t notice time passing, I guess. His age is at least close. He does have two years left. I guess I was thinking two years until UFA would count as team control. But maybe not. I guess it’s not as close as I thought when I first heard it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Gaudreau turned 27 in August and two years away from UFA. Doesn't seem to fit him at all.

not to mention it would be a terrible trade

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by dino7c

not to mention it would be a terrible trade

Well, I don’t think it would be just 18 and/or 20. He said the Devils would be willing to move those picks for someone 26 and under with team control.

[prizefighterinferno]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Friedman says the NJD would be willing to move 18 and/or 20 for players 26 and under with team control. Interesting because that describes Gaudreau exactly...

Gaudreau might be unlikely but if Calgary has determined that moving Hanifin is in their best interests for various reasons, that might be a mutually beneficial fit.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Nelson

He IS 27. I didn’t notice time passing, I guess. His age is at least close. He does have two years left. I guess I was thinking two years until UFA would count as team control. But maybe not. I guess it’s not as close as I thought when I first heard it.

Two years, but the second has a very stringent LNTC. He gets to list only 5 teams he can be traded to. This is the only season they can freely trade him.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Friedman says the NJD would be willing to move 18 and/or 20 for players 26 and under with team control. Interesting because that describes Gaudreau exactly...

But I doubt 18 and/or 20 turn into Gaudreaus.

If we deal for picks I only want top 10.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Two years, but the second has a very stringent LNTC. He gets to list only 5 teams he can be traded to. This is the only season they can freely trade him.

Trade him after the playoffs before the next year kicks in. After he scores 100 points on Tayler Halls line.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I added more to my post btw

And Binnington went from being a .911 goalie with the STL organization, to .926 with Providence and continued that after returning to the Blues farm club.

They also didn't lend him out to "get him more starts", he was lent out because they felt Copley and Husso were more important to be hands on with. If Copley wasn't traded at that trade deadline in the Shattenkirk deal, Binnington probably doesn't receive a qualifying offer.

The Blues lent Binnington to Providence because they didn't have their own AHL affiliate in 2017-18. Copley was traded at the 2017 deadline, so he had nothing to do with the decision of where Binnington played 2017-18.

Vegas took over the affiliation with the Chicago Wolves for 2017-18 and the Blues became affiliated with San Antonio in 2018-19 after Colorado moved their ECHL team to the AHL. For 2017-18, they had agreements with Vegas and Colorado to send a limited number of players to Chicago and San Antonio (they already had agreed to take over the Rampage starting in 2018) but had to find alternate locations for the rest of their players, such as Binnington.