2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Corral

This seems unlikely. Calgary is not a desirable location for a UFA with choices.

The notion that Calgary is a great‘family’ city is totally bunk. And besides someone making millions can create a perfect family scenario for themselves just about anywhere. Why settle where the streets are icy and there are no leaves on trees for 8 months per year??

Ya it is not like Calgary is routinely considered one of the top cities in the WORLD to live. Oh wait yes in fact that has been the case.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Corral

This seems unlikely. Calgary is not a desirable location for a UFA with choices.

The notion that Calgary is a great‘family’ city is totally bunk. And besides someone making millions can create a perfect family scenario for themselves just about anywhere. Why settle where the streets are icy and there are no leaves on trees for 8 months per year??

Another list of benefits:

- Alberta's total tax burden is actually substantially less than many of the US States.

- No Trump.

- Significantly less civil unrest.

- Much better handling of the global pandemic.

- Pietro is Canadian and might want to come back

- Buying power in Calgary is amazing. 10 mil buys you literally anything you want here.

- Chinooks

- Proximity to Mountains

- Good school system (much better than available in USA.)

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by New Era

I would put the odds of the big three signing with us at:

Hall - 50%
Markstrom - 10%
Pietrangelo - <1%

If Pietrangelo signs in Calgary, Treliving should be bronzed and placed in front of the new building.

I wish these were the odds, but it seems like there have been more Markstrom rumours than Hall rumours.

And that terrifies me.

The thing with Pietrangelo is that if he is leaving St. Louis, it might mean he simply wants to get as much money as possible.
And if that is the case, anyone with cap space has a chance.

I would put it more like 5% for Pietrangelo.

And not to be pessimistic, but knowing the Flames, I would think there is a 70% chance that they sign a bunch of middling/mediocre players.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Corral

This seems unlikely. Calgary is not a desirable location for a UFA with choices.

The notion that Calgary is a great‘family’ city is totally bunk. And besides someone making millions can create a perfect family scenario for themselves just about anywhere. Why settle where the streets are icy and there are no leaves on trees for 8 months per year??

Why do you hate Calgary when statistics and research prove you completely wrong?

On top of consistently being ranked as one of the best cities to live (plus consistently being ranked one of, if not the cleanest city in the world), Calgary is one of the top cities that NHL players retire too once their career is over because of how great of a city it is.

[Vinny01]

US based site Sports Illustrated has the Flames in the top 5 for AP

https://www.si.com/hockey/.amp/news/...mpression=true

[Monahammer]

My guess is that Corral just leads a ####ty life and tries to project that on to the city. Nope, just your life bud.

[Toonage]

I look at it this way.

Tre loves defensemen.

Tre loves to spend.

Lebrun knows the Flames.

Not a lock by any means, but certainly something I wouldn't brush off right away.

What I can't see is a big play for AP, Hall, Markstrom, etc.

[dino7c]

For a guy with the Calgary tower in his avatar and named after the Calgary Corral he sure hates Calgary.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I wish these were the odds, but it seems like there have been more Markstrom rumours than Hall rumours.

And that terrifies me.

The thing with Pietrangelo is that if he is leaving St. Louis, it might mean he simply wants to get as much money as possible.
And if that is the case, anyone with cap space has a chance.

I would put it more like 5% for Pietrangelo.

And not to be pessimistic, but knowing the Flames, I would think there is a 70% chance that they sign a bunch of middling/mediocre players.

What do you mean not to be pessimistic? Every post you make is of that variety you clearly are pessimistic but I don’t fault you or any other Flames fan for feeling that way.

I prefer to be glass half full during this period of time before the moves happen.


When it comes to Hall there seems to be a lot of smoke/noise around the Avs going with a huge one year offer and Hall rolling the dice to sign and enter free agency again next offseason

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Corral

This seems unlikely. Calgary is not a desirable location for a UFA with choices.

The notion that Calgary is a great‘family’ city is totally bunk. And besides someone making millions can create a perfect family scenario for themselves just about anywhere. Why settle where the streets are icy and there are no leaves on trees for 8 months per year??

It certainly is for many Canadian players.

I think Calgary is a spectacular place to raise a family.

Living in the US certainly has it’s headaches. I think living in Calgary “trumps” many places in the Staes.


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[TheIronMaiden]

honestly I wouldn't care if the Flames didn't spend money on a UFA. I would prefer they shake things up via a trade.

[the_only_turek_fan]

I think Markstrom has the best chance of coming here out of the 3.

[rogermexico]

I think that Treliving is going to trade for Kuemper so that he can afford to throw everything at Pietrangelo. He'll save a few million that way versus what he'd need to pay Markstrom.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What do you mean not to be pessimistic? Every post you make is of that variety you clearly are pessimistic but I don’t fault you or any other Flames fan for feeling that way.

I prefer to be glass half full during this period of time before the moves happen.


When it comes to Hall there seems to be a lot of smoke/noise around the Avs going with a huge one year offer and Hall rolling the dice to sign and enter free agency again next offseason

Sorry, it's just that I realize the pessimism gets old quickly. And I agree with you that Calgary is a good city to live in, and many agree with this view. It's a good city by practically every metric except weather.

Hall is especially interesting, because it's not every day that elite Calgary-born players reach free agency while in their prime.

Hopefully they sign him, make a precedent, and then Point comes down a few years later (RFA in 2023 but still).

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I wish these were the odds, but it seems like there have been more Markstrom rumours than Hall rumours...

I would put it more like 5% for Pietrangelo.

And not to be pessimistic, but knowing the Flames, I would think there is a 70% chance that they sign a bunch of middling/mediocre players.

Of course, you guys who are setting probabilities for any of this are fabricating them from practically nothing. With only an extremely small understanding of all the variables being weighed by each player, how does anyone actually gauge the odds?

The fact that multiple reports have linked each of the bg three to Calgary I think shows that there is likely mutual interest from all parties; I think that suggests that the odds are decidedly a lot higher than single-digit.

[SuperMatt18]

I wonder if Hall and Pietrangelo are friends at all.

Played together on the WJC team, and some OHL all-star teams.

Maybe Flames go for the Parise/Suter like move and try to sign both free agents.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Corral

This seems unlikely. Calgary is not a desirable location for a UFA with choices.

This depends on lifestyle expectations. A small Canadian city does have its draws. Fairly bland politics for the foreseeable future. Good healthcare system regardless of where you go. Really good education system. Good environment and great setting. If you're into the outdoors and the mountain lifestyle, it is hard to beat Calgary.

Where Calgary fails is you are living in a fishbowl. It is cold for much of the year. You have to like winter sports. You're landlocked. Canada is setup for the collective good, not the individual good, so that can have its drawbacks.

The notion that Calgary is a great‘family’ city is totally bunk. And besides someone making millions can create a perfect family scenario for themselves just about anywhere. Why settle where the streets are icy and there are no leaves on trees for 8 months per year??

This is bang on, but a caveat. These players are paid enough where they can live in the best communities, afford the best schools, afford the best doctors, and not have to deal with the riff-raff of the common folk. This is where these players get to pick and choose their lifestyle away from the game. If you're looking for arts and cultural things to do away from the rink, Calgary is low on the list. Same can be said for entertainment, although no one is doing well in that regard during a pandemic. I think that Calgary struggles with a lot of the American cities because of the environment advantage, but with the crazy crap going on the US politically, I can see why players would cast a wanting eye to Calgary or Vancouver at the moment.

[dammage79]

My belief is Hall is the most likely to sign in CGY. Everything over the last year makes me think it is going to happen.

I am also of the belief Treliving is going to get Matt Murray. Cheaper, younger and he will spend assets to get him.

Pietrangelo is the hail Mary pass to end all hail marys. If he pulls that houdini trick off on top of the rest of his off season plans, then mail him GM of they year trophy immediately.

I think AP is a Leaf when all is said and done though.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I am not a big fan of Laine for sure, but I don't get why he is a complimentary player while Johnny is a franchise winger. Johnny is also as "one dimensional" as they come, and 5 years older.

Gaudreau IS the offensive catalyst for the Flames and that is not the case for Laine in Winnipeg. The Flames offense has revolved around Gaudreau since he became a Flames. He's a better player end of story. I saw Johny back check more in the playoffs this year than Laine has his entire career. Laine is a very good forward but Gaudreau is more dynamic and makes linemates better.

[dammage79]

Also, is there anything in the return to play MOU about FAs not talking to teams even though their contracts ended July 1? How many FA under the table agreements are already done?