2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[dissentowner]

Laine is garbage, he will be one of the worst contracts in the league once he signs a new deal and he declines rapidly because he would rather play video games than practice. I wouldn't even trade our 1st for him let alone Monahan. Chevy isn't stupid, he knows what the future holds which is why he will shuttle him out of town while he still has value.

[TheScorpion]

I don't think that's very fair. Laine would have led the Flames in scoring this year. He improved his 200ft game this year substantially as well.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't think that's very fair. Laine would have led the Flames in scoring this year. He improved his 200ft game this year substantially as well.

1 decent defensive play would have improved Laine's defensive game substantially. Just because he improved, doesn't mean he's not still one dimensional.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

1 decent defensive play would have improved Laine's defensive game substantially. Just because he improved, doesn't mean he's not still one dimensional.

I don't deny for one second that he's one-dimensional but he's also certainly not "garbage." He looks like he could be one of the top goal-scorers in the league for the next decade. Using video games as a knock against him is silly.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't deny for one second that he's one-dimensional but he's also certainly not "garbage." He looks like he could be one of the top goal-scorers in the league for the next decade. Using video games as a knock against him is silly.

Absolutely, but he is still a one-dimensional winger that has some red flags. I'd personally stay far away from him because in the long run the cost won't be worth it.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I still think Laine will be a 50 goal scorer
Those aren’t easy to find

[Jiri Hrdina]

I still think Laine will be a 50 goal scorer
Those aren’t easy to find

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You wouldn't trade Laine for Monahan and a 1st?

lol

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Laine is garbage, he will be one of the worst contracts in the league once he signs a new deal and he declines rapidly because he would rather play video games than practice. I wouldn't even trade our 1st for him let alone Monahan. Chevy isn't stupid, he knows what the future holds which is why he will shuttle him out of town while he still has value.

What a well balanced take..

[dammage79]

I think if you could add Laine to this core (Lindholm, Monahan, Tkachuk) it'd be great. Shuffling off surplus LW for a pure snipe show RW would bring immense value to the roster.

Don't think the Jets would ever move Laine to CGY, but Laine helps this team in ways we need. Not everything has to be about 200 ft play. His skillset is sniping goals OV style. And that's perfect a-ok by me.

Like Laine on Tkachuk and Backlunds wing? Yeah, I'd take that 1 million times over Mangiapane.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Absolutely, but he is still a one-dimensional winger that has some red flags. I'd personally stay far away from him because in the long run the cost won't be worth it.

I assume you have the same view on Johnny, because if you don't, you aren't being consistent.

Both players have some red flags to be sure, but each has a unique skill set that isn't readily available. There is value there, the question is how much value. And that is very much a matter of opinion.

[bax]

Originally Posted by bax

Can't help but think you're basing an opinion of a player off of a perceived reputation from 2 seasons ago. It's such a lazy argument to say attitude issues are a problem when he actually made great strides as a player this year and wasn't a liability at all.

I won't claim that Laine will ever win a Selke or anything, but there was huge improvement in his overall game this year. 28 goals, 35 assists in 68 games.

Career high in hits, assists, and saw his ice time rise by more than 2 minutes a game this season after being asked by the coaching staff to be better away from the puck. He flourished on their top line for most of the season while looking more engaged than he ever has.

On top of that he still has his elite shooting ability and the potential to contend for Richard trophies. He only managed 8 powerplay goals this year (he had 20 in his second season) but found different ways to score at even strength and saw his overall production climb big time. 0.6 PPG vs 0.93 PPG.

His defensive awareness was much better this season and he didn't go through extended dry spells like he used to.

I don't think Kovalev is a very good comparison for Laine. This is a 2nd overall pick who just turned 22 and already has 138 goals and 247 points to his name. 6'4 and over 200 pounds. His value is very high.

Quoting part of my post from earlier in this thread. Laine is far from garbage.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't deny for one second that he's one-dimensional but he's also certainly not "garbage." He looks like he could be one of the top goal-scorers in the league for the next decade. Using video games as a knock against him is silly.

The guy literally said he doesn't practice or train in the off season. Funny how people can crucify Gaudreau for his diet but Laine not practicing is ok. Why in the world would you want a player with that outlook?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by bax

Quoting part of my post from earlier in this thread. Laine is far from garbage.

He's an elite shooter, but he hasn't really taken that many strides when it comes to defensive side of the game when you dig into his numbers.

He's something like 18th in skaters on most play driving metrics on a team that generally got worked last season, but for their goaltender.

Still being heavily sheltered as well.

[dammage79]

Is he better defensively than the reigning Hart Trophy winner? Or Connor "I dont skate backwards" McJesus?

If so, I'LL take 1 Patrick Laine please!

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The guy literally said he doesn't practice or train in the off season. Funny how people can crucify Gaudreau for his diet but Laine not practicing is ok. Why in the world would you want a player with that outlook?

Ever heard of Mario Lemieux? "My offseason training? On August 1st I stop ordering fries with my club sandwich."

https://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/22/s...nd-number.html

"''It's better that way,'' said Lemieux. ''I won't have to worry about laundry and cooking. Just hockey.''

His dietary staple, to the chagrin of those who surround him, is junk food.

''Hamburgers, french fries, pizza,'' said Lemieux, dipping the chicken wings in extra hot sauce. ''Not junk food. Fast food.''


At the end of the day the only thing that matters are results. Johnny really hasnt been showing positive results, hence the criticism. As others pointed out, Laine has instead showed improvement. If Johnny was still playing at 99 point pace no one would ever talk about skittles.




Moving on to worthwhile discussion, Stauffer (Lol) now claiming on the radio that Ekblad is definitely available. I am still v interested.

[Monahammer]

My new LSD fantasy trade (to quote from a few pages back...):

Huberdeau (5.9/3) +Ekblad (7.5/4) for Gaudreau (6.75/2)+Hanifin (4.95/3)+1st 2019

Saves ~2 mil a year in cap space and ~21 million over contract lengths (if preparing for economic uncertainty.) Florida gets one of the most electric playmakers in the league who can hopefully bring some excitement to the local fan base, a young top 4 dman with plenty of upside on a controlled contract, and an extra 1st to ease the pain.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

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[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Moving on to worthwhile discussion, Stauffer (Lol) now claiming on the radio that Ekblad is definitely available. I am still v interested.

If Ekblad is available, you’d have to believe that the Panthers would want Monahan in return. After trading away Trocheck, they don’t have much in the way of centers, but have piles of wingers.

I’d much rather have Ekblad than Dumba that’s for sure.

[Poe969]

They have to convince Backlund to waive his NMC. With teams looking for a C, his value is probably pretty high.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I assume you have the same view on Johnny, because if you don't, you aren't being consistent.

Both players have some red flags to be sure, but each has a unique skill set that isn't readily available. There is value there, the question is how much value. And that is very much a matter of opinion.

Laine isn't garbage but his career high is 70 points... Gaudreau has been over that multiple times