2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Bonded]

I don't understand why some people are so keen to dump Monahan and move Lindholm to center. There will still be a huge in the top six if that happens and if Lindholm transitions poorly we are hooped.

[klikitiklik]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I certainly understand civic pride and the emotional investment of fans. But I have come to learn more recently that confusing such things with our own identities can be terribly unhealthy, and result in a lot of needless anxiety and depression. Hockey is supposed to be fun. If you are no longer having fun, then maybe you need a change? A change that you can control, and not one that depends on what the GM or the team might do?

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You hit it on the head here. Very true. I can’t help getting emotionally involved though. That’s just me.

Also I’m not inventing stuff. I agree that he has made moves. Just not the right ones. Hence my disappointment. You can’t win them all but as a fan I want nothing more then for the Flames to win. When they don’t I become whiny and here I am.......

GO flames Go

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

An NHL centre is expected to do have 6 or 7 elements to his game: score goals, take face-offs, distribute the puck, forecheck, backcheck, quickly assess dangers without the puck, track back deep to give the defence an outlet pass, gain the zone with possession.

Monahan does one of those very well, a couple decently, and the rest poorly.

Since it's mostly the things that don't show up on the stat sheet that Monahan does poorly, it's difficult for fans to talk about the big deficiencies in his play. But I'm confident that the Flames braintrust are aware of them. They know how severe of a handicap it is when opposing coaches lick their chops at line-matching against the Flames, knowing what a matchup advantage they have whenever the Flames top line is on the ice.

This is very accurate. And when he’s not doing the first very well, as in this past year with 22 goals, it’s a big problem.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by klikitiklik

... I’m not inventing stuff. I agree that he has made moves. Just not the right ones. Hence my disappointment. You can’t win them all but as a fan I want nothing more then for the Flames to win. When they don’t I become whiny and here I am.......



GO flames Go

But you did invent stuff by characterizing the GM as blithely inactive and content with the status quo. Like I said, there are certainly things about which to be critical in Treliving's record, but his complacency is not among them.

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[klikitiklik]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But you did invent stuff by characterizing the GM as blithely inactive and content with the status quo. Like I said, there are certainly things about which to be critical in Treliving's record, but his complacency is not among them.

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Okay I take back that point then but I stand by my gut feeling on the guy. I hope he proves me wrong this off season but I’m not confident in his ability to turn this team into a true contender.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Thoughtful post with lots of great points and a poignant conclusion:

Flames aren't far away in my opinion. They just haven't figured out exactly how to win yet.

I don't fully agree with a lot of this, but there isn't much I vehemently disagree with either.

For me, the reality check is simply contract status. Are we close enough to make it happen in the next 2 years? IMO not very likely.

Could it happen after that when we are paying the same players (Gaudreau+Tkachuk) more money? Sure, but IMO it's even less likely.


We don't have to throw the baby out with the bath water, but all of the evidence so far (aside from 4 great months in '18-19) suggests that the current path is unlikely to lead us to the promised land. So re-tool.

[sureLoss]

Steinberg says Markstrom is one of the Flames "top points of interest" should he get to free agency. confirmed by contacts in Calgary, Vancouver, and across the league.

https://flamesnation.ca/2020/09/19/t...cob-markstrom/

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Steinberg says Markstrom is one of the Flames "top points of interest" should he get to free agency. confirmed by contacts in Calgary, Vancouver, and across the league.

https://flamesnation.ca/2020/09/19/t...cob-markstrom/

That is a really good article.

[David Struch]

Jacob Markstrom will be more than happy to accept the same $4.85 million contract as his best buddie, Elias Lindholm.

[Roof-Daddy]

Much better than giving up a 1st for Kuemper in my opinion. Makes me think that if they do have a 1st on the table for Kuemper it would be the 2021 1st because unless they secure Markstrom's rights they'd have to wait until after the 2020 draft to find out whether they can sign him or not.

Did I read somewhere that Markstrom is good friends with Lindholm? Not that it matters much I guess, I remember hearing how Hamonic was "good buddies" with Tavares too leading up to his free agency. Still, can't hurt I guess.

[Enoch Root]

Markstrom is my first preference. Man would I be stoked if he signs with the Flames!

The only reason that it is even conceivable is the expansion draft - the Nucks are really in a tough spot in that regard. Not only would they lose one of them, but they are in a jam with the cap, so even signing him presents other challenges for them.

They do have the option of signing him and then trading him before the expansion draft, but that 1) doesn't solve the cap problem for this year, and 2) the market will be small, and the return substantially deflated, prior to the draft.

If you're Benning, how do you play it?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

That is a really good article.

I have to admit, I did not expect such a balanced and reasonable article from him.

[AC]

Signing Markstrom would be great.

Add Hall while we're at it...

[dammage79]

Yup, go after all the UFA goalies before bleeding more future for one.

Then yeah, sign Hall.

Then do the draft and make them trades.

[JurassicTunga12]

Markstrom + Hall would be an offseason win.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Markstrom + Hall would be an offseason win.

Markstrom would be an offseason win.

Hall would be a big piece of an offseason win.

Markstrom AND Hall would be an EPIC offseason!

(pending what would have to go out in order to make it work)

[Barca]

Friedman says the Canucks are looking to 'overhaul' the defence and singled out Ekblad and Cernak as defencemen that could be available.

[ForeverFlameFan]

This is going to be a crazy offseason.

Almost every team is making huge decision(s).

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

You should re-examine your post because there was no SEEN as a playoff failure, there was only “ROR was a playoff failure” and I don’t even know who you’re talking about, who saw or said he was a playoff failure exactly?

We’re just going to have to agree to disagree as is this conversation is going no where. I’m not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change mine.


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You should re-examine it, that paragraph starts with the words

We hear about disappointing playoff performances for tons of players

Then I stated various things we have heard.

[Blaster86]

Markstrom would be a great get for the Flames. The only thing the Flames may have to be worried about is term.

Certainly sounds like he isn't asking for a lot of money though. The only hold up with the Canucks is a NMC or dollars to replace the NMC.