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Old 09-17-2020, 12:03 PM   #6621
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Other teams do it with great success.

Trusting youth is the trend. They’re coachable and and have lots of raw talent.

If Hanifin can be used to improve the team elsewhere, I’d say you do it.
I'd love to see examples of this claim. Please I'd love to hear about all the teams that have had great success gifting top 4 spots to 22 year old defensemen that have less than 30 games experience and have not played in 18 months. Because I seriously doubt its validity.

No one is questioning his raw skill, or if he is coachable; the question is how being off for over a year and a half has impacted his development.
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Yeah, that makes sense that a lot of teams will be on the fence waiting to see what Tampa does, and even the Isles. Tampa is up against the cap before they sign their key RFA's, and the Isles will be over the cap once they sign their key RFA's.

Both teams might be moving some good players this off season, and we may even possibly see a big Aho style offer sheet or two as well.
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TSN's 10 player trade bait board that could well be in play given financial or salary cap implications:

https://www.tsn.ca/trade-bait-10-con...ason-1.1525752

1. Kessel
2. Bozak
3. Athanasiou
4. Stecher
5. Sutter
6. Hornqvist
7. Bishop
8. Tyler Johnson
9. Saad
10. Dubinsky
Well that's a fairly unimpressive list if you ask me. Would have to have some big sweeteners involved to take on most of these guys.
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Old 09-17-2020, 12:07 PM   #6624
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Tyler Johnson might be a cheap guy to acquire, and who might also benefit from getting a bigger role on a different team. Right hand shot, plays both wing and C.

Small though.
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TSN's 10 player trade bait board that could well be in play given financial or salary cap implications:

https://www.tsn.ca/trade-bait-10-con...ason-1.1525752

1. Kessel
2. Bozak
3. Athanasiou
4. Stecher
5. Sutter
6. Hornqvist
7. Bishop
8. Tyler Johnson
9. Saad
10. Dubinsky
Not sure I would consider any of these “trade bait”. Closer to camp dump than anything of value in my opinion. I mean including RFAs that may not get a qualifying offer? Bishop is about it for me.
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Yeah, that makes sense that a lot of teams will be on the fence waiting to see what Tampa does, and even the Isles. Tampa is up against the cap before they sign their key RFA's, and the Isles will be over the cap once they sign their key RFA's.

Both teams might be moving some good players this off season, and we may even possibly see a big Aho style offer sheet or two as well.
Yeah I kinda want Tampa to win it all so that they are more inclined to move some pieces.

*Michael Scott screaming “NOOOOOOO” to Bishop for me.
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Would have been nice to have Bishop 4 seasons ago.

Sometimes it really sucks being the fan of a Canadian based team.
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Would have been nice to have Bishop 4 seasons ago.

Sometimes it really sucks being the fan of a Canadian based team.
I’m looking forward to signing Price as a UFA when he’s 42.
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TSN's 10 player trade bait board that could well be in play given financial or salary cap implications:

https://www.tsn.ca/trade-bait-10-con...ason-1.1525752

1. Kessel
2. Bozak
3. Athanasiou
4. Stecher
5. Sutter
6. Hornqvist
7. Bishop
8. Tyler Johnson
9. Saad
10. Dubinsky
Yeah remember when I said Gaudreau if available would be the most valuable player on the trade market...well there you have it
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Tyler Johnson might be a cheap guy to acquire, and who might also benefit from getting a bigger role on a different team. Right hand shot, plays both wing and C.

Small though.
And full NTC. He gets to choose where he is going.
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Monahan for Dumba
19th overall for Kuemper
Gaudreau for Domi+
Hanifin for OEL+

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If you are competing with the Jets on offering Ehlers or the Nucks offering Boesser then Monahan doesn't get it done. Minny would want Lindholm and let the Flames keep their strength at Centre.
Monahan has outscored Ehlers every single year except last year and plays a more important position. Same for Boeser (except Monahan outscored him last year as well). Boeser being younger and a RHS is a little more valuable, but still not a centre.
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And full NTC. He gets to choose where he is going.
yup Tampa's big problem with clearing cap this summer is basically all of their mid-range forwards control their own destinies.

Palat - full NTC
Johnson - full NTC
Gourde - full NTC
Killorn - 16-team NTC

and even if they wanted to go bigger with a guy like Stamkos, he has a full NMC
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People need to adjust their expectations. Monahan isn't Mackinnon or McDavid. He is still very valuable.

Completely agree. Monahan's shot is a rare skillset. I think the Flames would be better off finding him a passing winger that will battle in the corners. Lindholm does this well but it isn't in JG's toolbox. JG used to be more dynamic in the rush but teams seems to have figured out how to defend him effectively.

The few looks we've had of Tkachuk and Monahan together looked like dynamite to me.
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If you are competing with the Jets on offering Ehlers or the Nucks offering Boesser then Monahan doesn't get it done. Minny would want Lindholm and let the Flames keep their strength at Centre.
Lol this guy....every stat favors Monahan but you always have to be that guy
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And full NTC. He gets to choose where he is going.
Yep, next off season though it changes to a limited NTC so knowing that next year he has less control on where he goes he may be willing to waive if the Bolts can make a deal with a team he'd really like to go to. (Probably not a Canadian team).

Or maybe he waits for a season and let's them trade him to a team on his list, or hopes he gets taken in the expansion draft by the Kraken in his home state.
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Lol this guy....every stat favors Monahan but you always have to be that guy
Has he finally admitted to being a Jets fan yet?
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You guys are still responding to the grit index kid? Gluttons for punishment the lot of ya.

With all the conflicting info regarding who may be available or on the market I’m interested to see what actually happens. I imagine it will be a few weeks at the least before the Flames do anything of note.
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19th overall for Kuemper
Gaudreau for Domi+
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Sign hall
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Why would the Flames trade away their top scoring C when they already have a lack of elite talent in that area? If Monahan is going out, a true #1C had better be coming the other way.
They won't. It is fun to watch the media spin all these rumours about Monahan and Gaudreau moving because it makes for plenty of clicks and attention for them. The reality is neither of those guys are moving his offseason, it isnt happening unless someone makes an offer BT can't refuse.
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