2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[dino7c]

Laine is a weird player...sometimes he is Ovechkin and sometimes he is Leo Komarov

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Laine is a weird player...sometimes he is Ovechkin and sometimes he is Leo Komarov

He's never Komorov, as Leo actually knows how to use his size. Laine is essentially the 21st century version of Alex Kovalev

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How does that make remote sense for Winnipeg?

They have Helleybuck making $6M what use is Dubnyk?

I assume the pick is 9th overall but even then Dumba+9 can be beaten by a lot of teams of Laine is on the block.

doubt it

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How does that make remote sense for Winnipeg?

They have Helleybuck making $6M what use is Dubnyk?

I assume the pick is 9th overall but even then Dumba+9 can be beaten by a lot of teams of Laine is on the block.

Laine isn't worth Dumba and the 9th.

Laine is a one dimensional winger that is a liability when he isn't scoring, his attitude also shows red flags.

Dumba gives the Jets an excellent RHD capable of putting up 40-50 points. Duby would give them a solid backup to play behind Hellebyuck since next season will likely have a condensed schedule. The pick I was thinking would be the Pens 1st in 2021.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

He's never Komorov, as Leo actually knows how to use his size. Laine is essentially the 21st century version of Alex Kovalev

That's an excellent comp.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Can Hall play RW? Seems like his style of play won't hurt his production coming off the off wing?

You move Tkachuk to RW, he is a natural fit there.

[Poster]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol you can't be serious...JG has a GREAT contract and 19 points in 30 playoff games isn't up to his regular season level but it is better than a lot of players

Hey if u want to be a homer, go for it.

Why not try some of the “real talk” you like to give about all the over rated Canucks players (except Markstrom who u seem to love).

I don’t think JG gets anywhere near what CP thinks. Perhaps I will be wrong.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Laine isn't worth Dumba and the 9th.

Laine is a one dimensional winger that is a liability when he isn't scoring, his attitude also shows red flags.

Dumba gives the Jets an excellent RHD capable of putting up 40-50 points. Duby would give them a solid backup to play behind Hellebyuck since next season will likely have a condensed schedule. The pick I was thinking would be the Pens 1st in 2021.

I don’t see the incentive from Winnipeg the deal has huge potential to blow up in their face. Almost zero chance the trade Laine within their division and I have absolutely no doubt they could easily beat an offer of Dumba, Dubnyk (who is potentially going to get bought out) and a late 1st.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Laine isn't worth Dumba and the 9th.

Laine is a one dimensional winger that is a liability when he isn't scoring, his attitude also shows red flags.

Dumba gives the Jets an excellent RHD capable of putting up 40-50 points. Duby would give them a solid backup to play behind Hellebyuck since next season will likely have a condensed schedule. The pick I was thinking would be the Pens 1st in 2021.

Laine is the best player in this deal hands down. Can't help but think you're basing an opinion of a player off of a perceived reputation from 2 seasons ago. It's such a lazy argument to say attitude issues are a problem when he actually made great strides as a player this year and wasn't a liability at all.

I won't claim that Laine will ever win a Selke or anything, but there was huge improvement in his overall game this year. 28 goals, 35 assists in 68 games.

Career high in hits, assists, and saw his ice time rise by more than 2 minutes a game this season after being asked by the coaching staff to be better away from the puck. He flourished on their top line for most of the season while looking more engaged than he ever has.

On top of that he still has his elite shooting ability and the potential to contend for Richard trophies. He only managed 8 powerplay goals this year (he had 20 in his second season) but found different ways to score at even strength and saw his overall production climb big time. 0.6 PPG vs 0.93 PPG.

His defensive awareness was much better this season and he didn't go through extended dry spells like he used to.

I don't think Kovalev is a very good comparison for Laine. This is a 2nd overall pick who just turned 22 and already has 138 goals and 247 points to his name. 6'4 and over 200 pounds. His value is very high.

Dubnyk's play also fell off a cliff this year. There is no value in a .890 SP back up goalie with a cap hit over 4 million. Winnipeg could do much better in the backup role.

If Minnesota can get Laine with Dumba as the main piece getting shipped out they should be all over it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You move Tkachuk to RW, he is a natural fit there.

He hasn’t done that well when moved there, IMO. Maybe a longer stint would prove differently.

But I agree on Hall - he is a guy who skates in from the wing to the net. Keeping the puck on the outside is better for him.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Poster

Hey if u want to be a homer, go for it.

Why not try some of the “real talk” you like to give about all the over rated Canucks players (except Markstrom who u seem to love).

I don’t think JG gets anywhere near what CP thinks. Perhaps I will be wrong.

The guy isn't wrong. Players get judged too much on expectations, not what they actually do and fans have a habit of making a player who didn't live up to their exceptions out to be garbage and one who exceeds as great.

Case in point. Monahan finished with the same number of points as Bennett in the playoffs, one has his one circle-jerk the other "isn't a #1C" and others want to trade him for a second pairing defenseman. Gaudreau had 1 fewer point than Monahan and Bennett and he's a playoff failure and "can't get it done"

[Poster]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

The guy isn't wrong. Players get judged too much on expectations, not what they actually do and fans have a habit of making a player who didn't live up to their exceptions out to be garbage and one who exceeds as great.

Case in point. Monahan finished with the same number of points as Bennett in the playoffs, one has his one circle-jerk the other "isn't a #1C" and others want to trade him for a second pairing defenseman. Gaudreau had 1 fewer point than Monahan and Bennett and he's a playoff failure and "can't get it done"

Fair, do you apply that logic when fans of other teams want their downward/high salary players to maintain their value?

I see it all the time, if an opposing player has a down season, it’s a pure cap dump and Cp thinks the Flames should be paid to take the player.

Just want to make sure you stay intellectually honest.

I don’t think JG is a cap dump but I do think if they trade him it will be for much less than CP anticipates. I’m prepared to be wrong.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

The guy isn't wrong. Players get judged too much on expectations, not what they actually do and fans have a habit of making a player who didn't live up to their exceptions out to be garbage and one who exceeds as great.

Case in point. Monahan finished with the same number of points as Bennett in the playoffs, one has his one circle-jerk the other "isn't a #1C" and others want to trade him for a second pairing defenseman. Gaudreau had 1 fewer point than Monahan and Bennett and he's a playoff failure and "can't get it done"

I guess if you look at the stat sheets that is what it will tell you. Dig just a little deeper though.

Two players are paid 6.375 and 6.75M per year and play together with former top 5 pick and leading goal scorer on the team in Lindholm. The other is making 2.5 playing with solid rookie in Dube and a guy who was considered the worst contract in the league.

Bennett matched them in points and also dominated in the physical aspect of the game where Monahan and Gaudreau were being pinned in their zone regularly by the Stars 4th line. Sure they made the Jets/Stars pay on the powerplay.

Bennett lead the playoffs in hits a week after the Flames were eliminated. He elevated his game from the third line.

It couldn’t be more clear why people praise Bennett’s playoff and were disappointed in Monahan and Gaudreau. When your third line is your best line by far you are not winning a round

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I guess if you look at the stat sheets that is what it will tell you. Dig just a little deeper though.

Two players are paid 6.375 and 6.75M per year and play together with former top 5 pick and leading goal scorer on the team in Lindholm. The other is making 2.5 playing with solid rookie in Dube and a guy who was considered the worst contract in the league.

Bennett matched them in points and also dominated in the physical aspect of the game where Monahan and Gaudreau were being pinned in their zone regularly by the Stars 4th line. Sure they made the Jets/Stars pay on the powerplay.

Bennett lead the playoffs in hits a week after the Flames were eliminated. He elevated his game from the third line.

It couldn’t be more clear why people praise Bennett’s playoff and were disappointed in Monahan and Gaudreau. When your third line is your best line by far you are not winning a round

Clearly you missed my point.

People exaggerate how good and bad players based on their expectations. That was my point, no more, no less.

I also don't understand why people are so insistent than PP goals mean less.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Poster

Fair, do you apply that logic when fans of other teams want their downward/high salary players to maintain their value?

I see it all the time, if an opposing player has a down season, it’s a pure cap dump and Cp thinks the Flames should be paid to take the player.

Just want to make sure you stay intellectually honest.

I don’t think JG is a cap dump but I do think if they trade him it will be for much less than CP anticipates. I’m prepared to be wrong.

CP isn’t a collective mindset
Every day there are a wide variety of opinions posted on this site
So thanks for the lecture but we’re good

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He hasn’t done that well when moved there, IMO. Maybe a longer stint would prove differently.

But I agree on Hall - he is a guy who skates in from the wing to the net. Keeping the puck on the outside is better for him.

Was wondering about that RW/LW with him. When did he switch to RW, and what are the point totals for both sides over the past few seasons? I have no idea where to find that info.

[Poster]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

CP isn’t a collective mindset
Every day there are a wide variety of opinions posted on this site
So thanks for the lecture but we’re good

So defensive. I been around long enough to know the trend.

Anyhow, just speculating, nothing personal.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Poster

Fair, do you apply that logic when fans of other teams want their downward/high salary players to maintain their value?

I see it all the time, if an opposing player has a down season, it’s a pure cap dump and Cp thinks the Flames should be paid to take the player.

Just want to make sure you stay intellectually honest.

I don’t think JG is a cap dump but I do think if they trade him it will be for much less than CP anticipates. I’m prepared to be wrong.

I generally try to take emotion out of analyzing players. I try not to get too high or too low on guys when discussing trades.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Poster

Hey if u want to be a homer, go for it.

Why not try some of the “real talk” you like to give about all the over rated Canucks players (except Markstrom who u seem to love).

I don’t think JG gets anywhere near what CP thinks. Perhaps I will be wrong.

You said nobody would "take on Gaudreau at his salary in a flat cap"

FFS you are kidding right? Points per $$$ Gaudreau is one of the best non elc contracts over the last 3 seasons.

If Gaudreau is available he is at the top of the trade list...a few months of Taylor Hall just got a pretty big return

Besides if the return isn't massive they won't trade him now

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Poster

So defensive. I been around long enough to know the trend.

Anyhow, just speculating, nothing personal.

Suspect you have your own bias about other fans
Not defensive
Just drives me nuts when people assign singular opinions to a site where every day there are passionate arguments about almost everything