Honestly, they're very similar to the 370. Which is good. The 370z's flaws (and it did have a few despite generally being a very good car when released, which got more obvious over time) had nothing to do with its lines. The shape was always great.
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Looks nice enough. That rectangle grill is kind of weird, but not the worst. The white lettering on the tires looks great. Interior is nice. Overall, I think they did a good job. Should be a fun car and definitely brings it into the modern era.
Even the grille is in line with its lineage. The s30 had a massive grille, it's just that it was broken up by the bumper:
But, and this is also part of the s30 story, a lot of those cars ultimately had the bumper removed by their owners as part of body kit modifications or otherwise. See for example...
So I don't think the grille bothers me very much. But as I say, we'll need to see it in real life. I personally wouldn't be buying a launch version, I'll wait to see what they do with the NISMO.
I'm also very interested to see the curb weight. The 370z actually got lower, shorter, wider, and most importantly slightly lighter than the 350z. If they can get it to around 3000 lbs for the Nismo I'll be very interested.
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The tires and ground clearance are going to be the main concerns, so if it were me and I was planning on 'occasional' winter driving in a Corvette, I'd get Michelin Pilot Sport A/S series tires. The summer performance is going to be more than sufficient, and the winter performance is good enough. That's the tire I used on my E-Coupe and it was fine for all except huge dumps of snow, and it had more torque than the above three cars combined.
Are you guys heartless monsters or something? With Chinooks and regular salting of roads, roads are usually relatively dry and not horridly difficult to drive, that's not my concern.
But exposing such nice and fun cars to gravel blasting and salt? For shame!
Looks nice enough. That rectangle grill is kind of weird, but not the worst. The white lettering on the tires looks great. Interior is nice. Overall, I think they did a good job. Should be a fun car and definitely brings it into the modern era.
It's not a dig at the Z - I like it. Admittedly I'm not familiar with the entire lineage of the car.
I love the back end. Front is... unoffensive, but I think I'd need to see it in person to make a judgment. I think the headlights look good but it's sort of hard to tell from what's shown. Interior looks more or less fine, again unoffensive.
I'm just wondering what they price it at here. If it's at Supra levels, that's just too much money.
I mean, it will almost certainly be priced exactly where the Supra is. And I don't think that's too much money.
The interior is at least par with the Supra, and IMO I think it's appropriate for a car at that price point. And at 400HP, I don't see how you can expect more car unless you're buying domestic.
But yeah, that front end, especially head on, looks a little odd. For the most part, it's really inoffensive styling though.
Man, I wanted to like the new Z, but I feel like Nissan has totally lost their way. The GT-R aside, I look at everything they produce including the Infiniti product and have to wonder if they even care any more. I can't get down with the design, especially the front end. The combination of the headlights and massive squared grille looks like... well, watch that video @ 0:45 where it's passing the classic Z, and it looks like you're getting passed by a cartoon character. Interior looks good, hopefully they are getting the infotainment from someone who knows how to do it properly. But it's the same reason I don't like the design of the new Astons, there's something about the design that is ... sterile?
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Are you guys heartless monsters or something? With Chinooks and regular salting of roads, roads are usually relatively dry and not horridly difficult to drive, that's not my concern.
But exposing such nice and fun cars to gravel blasting and salt? For shame!
3M wrap, wash regularly, don't follow people too closely, and treat the weather forecast as gospel. But otherwise, it's a car, and it's made to be enjoyed.
you&me can probably back me up on this, but I've heard that one of the best winter 'beaters' if you're a sports car nut is a Porsche 911 Carrera 4 because the AWD system on them is so good and the ground clearance is sufficient.
3M wrap, wash regularly, don't follow people too closely, and treat the weather forecast as gospel. But otherwise, it's a car, and it's made to be enjoyed.
you&me can probably back me up on this, but I've heard that one of the best winter 'beaters' if you're a sports car nut is a Porsche 911 Carrera 4 because the AWD system on them is so good and the ground clearance is sufficient.
Ya that or the Audi with Quattro, even a Golf r.....combine those with a good set of winter tires and they're a blast in the snow.
you&me can probably back me up on this, but I've heard that one of the best winter 'beaters' if you're a sports car nut is a Porsche 911 Carrera 4 because the AWD system on them is so good and the ground clearance is sufficient.
Even the RWD version is pretty decent, as the engine is sitting over the drive wheels.
Man, I wanted to like the new Z, but I feel like Nissan has totally lost their way. The GT-R aside, I look at everything they produce including the Infiniti product and have to wonder if they even care any more.
With respect to North America I think they are seriously struggling and playing catch up and might be at that don't care stage. For a long time now their major markets have been the emerging economies and "third world" countries where they can dump low cost, cheap econoboxes. If you visit South America or the Caribbean it is pretty much all Nissan in those parts of the world.
With respect to North America I think they are seriously struggling and playing catch up and might be at that don't care stage. For a long time now their major markets have been the emerging economies and "third world" countries where they can dump low cost, cheap econoboxes. If you visit South America or the Caribbean it is pretty much all Nissan in those parts of the world.
90s Nissan Sentras dominate the Puerto Vallarta taxi industry.
Are you guys heartless monsters or something? With Chinooks and regular salting of roads, roads are usually relatively dry and not horridly difficult to drive, that's not my concern.
But exposing such nice and fun cars to gravel blasting and salt? For shame!
Buy ‘em to drive ‘em.
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For quite some time now I've been on the hunt for a vehicle to replace our current family hauler with. I know I probably shouldn't even ask for an opinion and just stay away from them but I'm quite interested in the MB ML350 diesel SUVs. I know that in general the German's have sub par reliability and expensive repair bills but I'd really like a diesel and in terms of styling, features and price I prefer the ML over the VW Touareg. Is it possible that an ML350 diesel could be a good purchase or should I just be more realistic and buy a more sensible family hauler?
Ya that or the Audi with Quattro, even a Golf r.....combine those with a good set of winter tires and they're a blast in the snow.
My S4 was fantastic with Blizzaks on, so much fun. The Audi dealership told me a story about a guy in town with an R8 who put a set of snow tires on that cost a breathtaking amount of $ so he could winter drive it.
I also had a Cooper S that I threw X-Ices on for a couple of winters. The low ground clearance was a bit of an issue, as was the narrow track which would pop you from rut to rut. Still a lot of fun.
3M wrap, wash regularly, don't follow people too closely, and treat the weather forecast as gospel. But otherwise, it's a car, and it's made to be enjoyed.
you&me can probably back me up on this, but I've heard that one of the best winter 'beaters' if you're a sports car nut is a Porsche 911 Carrera 4 because the AWD system on them is so good and the ground clearance is sufficient.
OK fair. I mean, I do ascribe to the idea that if you cannot afford to lose it or trash it, you cannot afford it. But even then, my soul hurts thinking that a car like that is exposed to a significantly earlier grave. Maybe I'm too sensitive about that and my concepts are ridiculous.
Could you imagine I care far less of an Audi RS4 out in the world in a Calgary winter over a Miata/Camaro/S2000? Yeah, even I am starting to feel silly. Mr bro bought one and has told me that I should just giver and not baby it (but obviously don't wreck or damage) when I get a chance to drive his car.
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Buy ‘em to drive ‘em.
I don't baby my cars. I let them stretch their limbs on the regular in a manner that makes certain people a wee bit uncomfortable. I freaking miss driving the tank that was the TL and weaving around strugglers in large snow dumps because I have great winters, AWD, clearance and weight. A TL is a relatively common vehicle.
Rightfully or wrongfully, my soul doesn't feel good exposing borderline collectors cars like a Camaro/Miata/S2000 to an early grave. It's probably a silly concept though and other than the S2000 the other two are possibly not as collectors as I perceive.
3M wrap, wash regularly, don't follow people too closely, and treat the weather forecast as gospel. But otherwise, it's a car, and it's made to be enjoyed.
you&me can probably back me up on this, but I've heard that one of the best winter 'beaters' if you're a sports car nut is a Porsche 911 Carrera 4 because the AWD system on them is so good and the ground clearance is sufficient.
Yep, been there, done that with 996s through 991s... Great (winter) cars and again, the only issue I've ever had comes down to clearance in rutted winter roads. Otherwise, they're absolute tanks.
And I'm with everyone else saying you buy 'em to drive 'em... If I had the choice of buying a car I love but having to subject it to winter driving (while taking proper steps like TD mentioned), or buying a lesser car because I had to also buy a winter beater... well, I've never done that.
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For quite some time now I've been on the hunt for a vehicle to replace our current family hauler with. I know I probably shouldn't even ask for an opinion and just stay away from them but I'm quite interested in the MB ML350 diesel SUVs. I know that in general the German's have sub par reliability and expensive repair bills but I'd really like a diesel and in terms of styling, features and price I prefer the ML over the VW Touareg. Is it possible that an ML350 diesel could be a good purchase or should I just be more realistic and buy a more sensible family hauler?
I have 11 years of experience with the Germans (7.5 years BMW, 3.5 years Mercedes), and they have never stranded me anywhere ... except once, 30 yards from my house, and it was a warrantied throttle position sensor. But the key word... warrantied. While they're usually pretty good once the previous owners have sorted the bugs, I don't think you could convince me to own a modern German car off warranty unless I didn't rely on it. The parts are expensive, and working on them is a bitch because they are seemingly packaged by a Tetris champion, so the labour is calculated high by default (even for stuff that is actually easy to fix, speaking from experience).
What years are you looking at, and do any of them at all qualify for a Mercedes CPO warranty? If not, do you love them enough to overlook that it might get expensive, especially if it was traded in because the last owner ran out of warranty and money? I don't have a lot of faith in car dealers actually getting the important stuff fixed so much as masked.
