2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Would anyone be interested in making a deal for Grubauer? If the Avs decide to go with Markstrom and Francouz?

Yes. A little younger, good numbers, including as a starter in the POs. It’s a one year contract, and they’d be in a bind with 3 goalies so the cost might not be as much.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Can the Avs off him term? They have Zadarov as an RFA now, Makar and Landeskog need new contracts after next year.

That is basically what they were debating on the radio. Colorado is likely the most attractive destination from a team standpoint but in terms of contract length and terms the Markstrom camp is looking for then Calgary or Vancouver are more likely options.

[bax]

In regards to this whole Markstrom situation, I'd just like to point out that yes there are tampering rules in the NHL, but in the lead up to free agency these are basically ignored.

Many of these agents represent multiple clients across the league and all of these relationships are already established. GM's and agents have conversations all the time. Players and teams definitely know who is interested in who and what the general ball park of an offer is going to look like before free agency.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by chummer

If I'm Vancouver I let Markstrom walk, Demko sure likes like a capable number 1. Huge cap savings, maybe sign Talbot as a capable backup. They also wouldn't have to worry who to protect next year in the expansion draft.

Demko had 3 good games. How many good games did Jim Carey have? Steve Mason? Andrew Raycroft?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Did I single you out? Nope.

Sam Bennett's hockey career is like dating. The playoffs are like this amazing first date, then get your hopes up, and then the regular season comes around and you realize he's all flair and no substance.

Well given that I had mentioned Bennett three times in the last hour it seemed like a good assumption.

Who were you referring to that was ignoring regular season production and the sample size then?

Are watching the same player? There hasn't been a lot of Bennett flare. I was right on board with the idea that this player would continue to drive chance metrics but didn't have the finish to go to the next level.

These playoffs were different though.

Not even close to proclamating a coming out party, we've seen the script before, but there's a more interesting case to be made this off season than the others.

If you don't feel that way I get it ... trust me. But it's not foolish to wonder if these ten games at a new position may have put him back closer to his OHL style.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Demko had 3 good games. How many good games did Jim Carey have? Steve Mason? Andrew Raycroft?

All the more reason to rob vancouver while their head is in the clouds about a young player's playoff performance!

Wait a second...

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I just went back on the tuneIn app and replayed it. So the afternoon guy from 650 in Vancouver (something Shaw?) was talking yesterday about Markstrom and referencing someone else saying they heard the Flames and Avs are in. Shaw then says:

“Eric (not sure of that is the name) thinks that there will be 2 other teams after him Colorado and Calgary and I can say one team assuredly is and that is Calgary”

This isn't on you.

But that seems like radio guys trying to act in the know, and possibly not even understanding the rules that prohibit their scoop.

[Vinny01]

Based on the majority of the speculation regarding the Flames this summer I don’t see any chance that both Rittich and Talbot will be back next year.

New goalie is one part of next years squad.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Well given that I had mentioned Bennett three times in the last hour it seemed like a good assumption.

Who were you referring to that was ignoring regular season production and the sample size then?

Are watching the same player? There hasn't been a lot of Bennett flare. I was right on board with the idea that this player would continue to drive chance metrics but didn't have the finish to go to the next level.

These playoffs were different though.

Not even close to proclamating a coming out party, we've seen the script before, but there's a more interesting case to be made this off season than the others.

If you don't feel that way I get it ... trust me. But it's not foolish to wonder if these ten games at a new position may have put him back closer to his OHL style.

I hadn't even reached your posts when I posted that. The overrating of Bennett has been constant since during the playoffs

[dino7c]

Markstrom would be my #1 target... expansion draft could really help the Flames here finding a top goalie

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Would anyone be interested in making a deal for Grubauer? If the Avs decide to go with Markstrom and Francouz?

Yes I would offer quite a bit for Grubauer.
I just doubt he's available.

I think Markstrom is about to be overpaid with too much term.
But we'll see.

[ComixZone]

Kyle Clifford heading time free agency.

If we somehow end up with some spare cap space and Tree feels the need to spend it on a 4th line player, he’d be the one I’d want.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Yeah Bennett was considerably better, but why do people always ignore the regular season for a tiny sample size? Yeah Bennett was very good for 10 games, but that doesn't change that he was garbage for 52 in the regular season. Nor does it change even when he was playing well, his line bled chances against because in part because he is simply not a very good centerman.

Also, the trade that was suggest is for a defenseman that has been a better offensive player through his NHL career than Bennett has.

The thing for me about Bennett is that the Flames just don't have enough guys like him.

The only time the Flames were competitive in the "Playoffs" this year was when Bennett and Lucic were on.

You can't trade the only guy in his prime who can play playoff hockey when you don't have anyone else. Lucic can play it but he's old now and his game can fall off anytime if it hasn't already.

I think Bennett is as much an untouchable on this team as there is. Flames need more Bennett types, not less.

The whole 4th line needs to be revamped with Bennett types. Big and fast. They don't need to be able to put up a ton of points, but they need to be able to play the bruising playoff style game that teams like Dallas, St. Louis, Vegas, LA have been winning with.

I like Ryan and Reider, but they need to be replaced with bigger guys who just as quick and fast.

If the Flames want to win in the playoffs, they need to replicate another Bennett/Lucic 4th line.

[dino7c]

Markstrom is a top 5 goalie...I would love to have that with term

[868904]

Treliving is just playing the game with regards to the goalies.

1) show interest in Markstrom to drive up the price on the Canucks, a division rival;
2) show interest in Markstrom to lower the price for Keumper, to show you have other options.

Tre could have Talbot locked up already to a 2 year deal and he's just messing around with his rivals.

If it were true, I think I might lean towards Keumper. I worry about Markstrom's game falling off a cliff if he leaves Ian Clarke. Just like Bobrovsky's game did.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Kyle Clifford heading time free agency.

If we somehow end up with some spare cap space and Tree feels the need to spend it on a 4th line player, he’d be the one I’d want.

Definitely a player I wouldn't mind the Flames bringing in (obviously right term/salary).

[AustinL_NHL]

Markstrom just had the best season of his career (by far) and ranked:

11th in GSAA (11.45)
14th in GSAA/60 (0.27)
14th in SV% (.918)
8th in HDSV% (.838)
28th in Average Goal Distance (21.33)

Again, this was by far the best season of his career. Doesn't even sniff the top 5

[agulati]

We have to be wary of goalies/players having career years during their contract year.

There are a lot of goalies, who have a few solid seasons (sometimes even great seasons) and then quickly drop back to mediocrity, or worse.

[Vinny01]

I prefer signing a goalie to a long term deal in free agency over trading a 1st for 2 years of another goalie.

Career wise Kuemper has better numbers but I really do not want to give up a 1st to get him especially when Markstrom could potentially be had if the team is willing to shell out the money.

Risks on both sides but being prospect and asset poor I would rather go the free agent route.

I am definitely in support of getting an upgrade in net from the Talbot-Rittich tandem

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Markstrom is a top 5 goalie...I would love to have that with term

His career save percentage is 91.1%. This is mediocre at best.
Not only is that not "top 5", it's not even enough for a starter.

Sure, he just had a pretty good season, but he's also getting older.
He has only once been better than 91.5%.

Cam Talbot has been above 91.5% five times.