2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Rocky Mtn Flames

Dumba and a second for Monahan.

So who steps in as the #1centre?

[Strange Brew]

I'd agree that if you're trading a first round pick, better off trading the one where you know it's value.

Of course the flipside is how your trading partner is valuing the two picks so it's difficult to make the decision in a vacuum. Not everyone can pull a Costner and get 6th overall for 3 2nd round picks.

[Harry Lime]

I'm not sure why Calgary is being connected to these defensemen. All Calgary needs is a bottom pairing RD. That is cheap and unexciting.

Calgary's main needs are Draft+1 or Draft +2 centre prospects that have as much ceiling as possible, and a goalie. The only way that the Flames are going to get that coveted #1C is to trade for him before he becomes a coveted #1C. And a goalie.

OEL and Dumba are all well and good. But, why?

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I'm not sure why Calgary is being connected to these defensemen. All Calgary needs is a bottom pairing RD. That is cheap and unexciting.

What are you talking about? Calgary needs a top 4 defenseman.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

What are you talking about? Calgary needs a top 4 defenseman.

I have more faith in Kylington's second pro year than most. I also like the idea of a one year rental like Hjarlmarsson than a seven year high ticket player. With the funds and trade capital available, I think that might be better spent elsewhere.

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

What are you talking about? Calgary needs a top 4 defenseman.

If all is healthy, I would say no we don't.

Gio Andersson
Hanifin Valimaki

Valimaki looks outstanding when healthy...but it is a big question mark.

[MrMike]

With two of possibly using our first round pick for a trade, especially if it includes bringing back OEL with thy cap hit, I would rather try and offer sheer Barzal, or Pierre Luc-Dubious.

If some teams out there are hurting for money, it could be structured in a way they might not want to pay, front loading the contract.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

OEL and Dumba are all well and good. But, why?

As it stands for signed defencemen:

Gio - ?
Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Yelesin
Mackey

Seems like adding a top 4 Dman is vital...

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Not disagreeing with you necessarily, but how much do you think playing for the Knights props up his stats? He's not a young guy anymore....

I still think he is good...he was every bit as good as Lenher in the playoffs when called upon. I think it's far less likely MAF chokes in a "big game" like Edmonton in January or a round one elimination game...those are not big games for MAF

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by AC

As it stands for signed defencemen:

Gio - ?
Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Yelesin
Mackey

Seems like adding a top 4 Dman is vital...

Hanifin - Andersson
Giordano - Kylington
Valimaki - Solid Dude
Mackey - Yelesin

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Hanifin - Andersson
Giordano - Kylington
Valimaki - Solid Dude
Mackey - Yelesin

Flames def need to add a dman

[AC]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Hanifin - Andersson
Giordano - Kylington
Valimaki - Solid Dude
Mackey - Yelesin

I don't want Kylington in a top 4 role. Flames management doesn't seem to have much trust in him either based on the last 2 trade deadlines acquiring players to push him out of the lineup when the games matter.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames def need to add a dman

I think we’ll be able to find a 4-5 guy on a one/two year contract.

[SuperMatt18]

I do wonder if you see some players take 1-year deals with hope for a better contract next year.

This season the Salary cap and teams budgets are going to be tight with COVID. Might be a better market next year with the addition of an expansion team and hopefully the return of fans.

Teams aren’t going to want to give out NTC / NMC with the expansion draft looming knowing it means another player they won’t be able to protect.

Players aren’t going to want to sign with term without a NTC/NMC since they don’t want to be exposed in the expansion draft.

If you’re a player like Tyson Barrie who is coming off a down season, and entering a soft UFA market you might be more willing to take a 1 year deal.

[Sandman]

I think it's very important to get another top-4 guy who can provide some offense. Gio's numbers are going down, and they're going to go down further without Brodie. The rest of the D are young guys who haven't put up great numbers offensively. I'm a fan of Kylington (I wasn't when we drafted him, or in the first 2 years on the farm, but he's made me a believer of sorts) but management doesn't trust him, and he's not ready for top-4 just yet.

[AC]

^ Agreed.

It's why OEL as a player makes sense... but his contract is ridiculous. Though maybe that's why he could come cheap as far as the acquisition cost goes.

Dumba as a player and contract make a lot of sense too, but should cost more as a result.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by AC

I don't want Kylington in a top 4 role. Flames management doesn't seem to have much trust in him either based on the last 2 trade deadlines acquiring players to push him out of the lineup when the games matter.

Last year was his first full year in the NHL, the year before that he played spot and injury games. I wouldn't want a rookie to take on what should have been a long playoff run without support, if I was the GM. Totally understand that move.

But I don't think that it was due to lack of ability, or lack of trust. Just lack of experience. Kylington has become a dominant player at the AHL level, he just is in the acclimatization phase of his career in the NHL. He has made his reputation on the offensive side of the game, and worked hard to become responsible on the defensive side last year. There were moments of weakness, sure, but for the most part he held his position pretty well. I think that he will also be better after moving to the right side, where he spent all of his life before coming to the Flames. He is the best skater on the team.

Anyway, personally I believe that a second or third pairing vet is ideal for the Flames next season, and doesn't commit even more money to the blueline.

[Sandman]

In the Trade Gaudreau thread, someone suggested that Montour may not get qualified by Buffalo. I know he's not popular on CP, and I can see why, but my contention is that his tailspin in Buffalo is somewhat due to Kruger-I read that many defensemen don't like playing for him. Montour was dynamite in Anaheim, many nights he was their best D-man, and I think he would be a great pick-up. Plus, he shoots right.

[1qqaaz]

It seems like when the Flames gave a great top 4 on paper, they underperform.
When the Flames have an iffy top 4 on paper, someone surprises us.

I wouldn't want to trade a player like Monahan for Dumba. And I wouldn't want OEL's contract.

It's possible that one of Valimaki, Mackey, or Kylington could fill a top 4 spot at some point during the season. There's likely to be some growing pains, but it might be the best option. I'm sure the Flames will add another option or two in the coming days.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I have more faith in Kylington's second pro year than most. I also like the idea of a one year rental like Hjarlmarsson than a seven year high ticket player. With the funds and trade capital available, I think that might be better spent elsewhere.

LMFAO.

Kylington can't even crack the top 6 and you think he can jump into the top 4? I have to try whatever you're smoking.

Originally Posted by simmer2

If all is healthy, I would say no we don't.

Gio Andersson
Hanifin Valimaki

Valimaki looks outstanding when healthy...but it is a big question mark.

I love Valimaki, but the kid hasn't played in like a year and a half and only has 24 NHL games under his belt. There is no good reason to rush him into the top 4.