[News] UPD: Geoff Ward officially named the franchise's 20th head coach (2 year deal)

[Azure]

If you look at the regular season Ward did a very good job.

Playoffs I think he got outcoached, and pulling Talbot was a big mistake.

At the end of the day clearly the Flames believe that he can get them over the hump.

[dino7c]

Gallant had a 3-0 lead with 10 mins left in his last playoff game and lost if we are gonna hang game 6 on Ward and his goalie pull

[Deegee]

I didn't think there was anything wrong with the goalie pull. Talbot was having an off night. Was the goalie coach supposed to go in?

[GullFoss]

GM Treliving today:

If the results says we lost in the playoffs, y'all see it, then that's that. We might've lost the season on one play this year, but if somebody says 'they didn't get the results,' it could be one unlucky game out of all the games this year, that's enough. I told the ownership group that you don't have to give the people of Calgary a reason to think about a new coach or anything like that. If you fire or trade somebody, you fire or trade them to make the team better...simple as that. I'm cool with that. I'm all about that. The people in Calgary deserve to have a winner. It's simple as that. It goes further than that.

If I say we have to go through the process, we have to go through the process. If we're processing, we're processing. Simple as that. It's not about that at all. But it's easy to talk about and sum it up when you just talk about the decision; we're sitting here, and I'm supposed to be the general manager, and we're in here talking about results. I mean, listen, we're talking about results. Not a process! Not the process! Not the process! We're talking about the results. Not a process; not the process that I go out there and die for and go through every process like it's my last, not the process, we're talking about results, man. I mean, how silly is that? We're talking about results. I know I'm supposed to win a championship, I know I'm supposed to build a contending team, I know that. And I'm not shoving it aside like it don't mean anything. I know it's important. I do. I honestly do. But we're talking about results, man. What are we talking about? results? We're talking about results, man!

We're talking about results! We're talking about results... We ain't talking about the process! We're talking about results, man! When you come to the arena, and you see me talk about the process... You see me process, don't you?

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

GM Treliving today:

If the results says we lost in the playoffs, y'all see it, then that's that. We might've lost the season on one play this year, but if somebody says 'they didn't get the results,' it could be one unlucky game out of all the games this year, that's enough. I told the ownership group that you don't have to give the people of Calgary a reason to think about a new coach or anything like that. If you fire or trade somebody, you fire or trade them to make the team better...simple as that. I'm cool with that. I'm all about that. The people in Calgary deserve to have a winner. It's simple as that. It goes further than that.

If I say we have to go through the process, we have to go through the process. If we're processing, we're processing. Simple as that. It's not about that at all. But it's easy to talk about and sum it up when you just talk about the decision; we're sitting here, and I'm supposed to be the general manager, and we're in here talking about results. I mean, listen, we're talking about results. Not a process! Not the process! Not the process! We're talking about the results. Not a process; not the process that I go out there and die for and go through every process like it's my last, not the process, we're talking about results, man. I mean, how silly is that? We're talking about results. I know I'm supposed to win a championship, I know I'm supposed to build a contending team, I know that. And I'm not shoving it aside like it don't mean anything. I know it's important. I do. I honestly do. But we're talking about results, man. What are we talking about? results? We're talking about results, man!

We're talking about results! We're talking about results... We ain't talking about the process! We're talking about results, man! When you come to the arena, and you see me talk about the process... You see me process, don't you?

Actually thought this was real then it got a little too Allen Iverson.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Because the team was out getting wasted the night before games in Chicago.

OK I knew the sequence of events but didn't know this tidbit.

He was Iron Mike no more by that point.

[dino7c]

The 04 Flames partied every night in the playoffs...there are some legendary stories of Kipper getting absolutely hammered the night before games

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

GM Treliving today:

If the results says we lost in the playoffs, y'all see it, then that's that. We might've lost the season on one play this year, but if somebody says 'they didn't get the results,' it could be one unlucky game out of all the games this year, that's enough. I told the ownership group that you don't have to give the people of Calgary a reason to think about a new coach or anything like that. If you fire or trade somebody, you fire or trade them to make the team better...simple as that. I'm cool with that. I'm all about that. The people in Calgary deserve to have a winner. It's simple as that. It goes further than that.

If I say we have to go through the process, we have to go through the process. If we're processing, we're processing. Simple as that. It's not about that at all. But it's easy to talk about and sum it up when you just talk about the decision; we're sitting here, and I'm supposed to be the general manager, and we're in here talking about results. I mean, listen, we're talking about results. Not a process! Not the process! Not the process! We're talking about the results. Not a process; not the process that I go out there and die for and go through every process like it's my last, not the process, we're talking about results, man. I mean, how silly is that? We're talking about results. I know I'm supposed to win a championship, I know I'm supposed to build a contending team, I know that. And I'm not shoving it aside like it don't mean anything. I know it's important. I do. I honestly do. But we're talking about results, man. What are we talking about? results? We're talking about results, man!

We're talking about results! We're talking about results... We ain't talking about the process! We're talking about results, man! When you come to the arena, and you see me talk about the process... You see me process, don't you?

Hall of Fame post

[keeper34]

Another "missed" opportunity to upgrade the head couch.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Azure

If you look at the regular season Ward did a very good job.

Playoffs I think he got outcoached, and pulling Talbot was a big mistake.

At the end of the day clearly the Flames believe that he can get them over the hump.

There's 2 rationals I see that lead to this decision.

1) Ward has the team going in the right direction and will get them over the hump.

2) The team is no where near where they need to be anyway, so no expensive coach won't fix that anyway. In this scenario, Ward is being given the job because it really doesn't matter much who they hire.

Would love to know the actual rational and what management is truly thinking of this team.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

OK I knew the sequence of events but didn't know this tidbit.

He was Iron Mike no more by that point.

In Calgary Jokinen made the playoffs for the first time and - before this season - the only time. In the end the biggest disappointment for the team was the players' failed discipline.
"We should have won that series. First we lost in overtime, then by a goal. In both games we had the lead coming into the third period. Fifth game was in Chicago. We went there a couple of days early. Later we found out half the team had been drinking for two days. The sun is shining and the terrace's are open, it was such a big disappointment to hear after the season, that some guys had had something else in mind. Big disappointment for the organisation and the fans. The belief was, that we were going far. Chicago ended up going to the Conference Finals. Then the coach was changed in Calgary. Keenan was fired and Brent Sutter came.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...go#post5371191

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by keeper34

Another "missed" opportunity to upgrade the head couch.

Who is a better choice and why? Instead of just complaining about "missed opportunities", why don't you actually add to the conversation?

Is Bourdeau an upgrade? He's never had any tangible playoff success.
Is Gallant an upgrade? Why has been suddenly fired twice in about 3 years?
Is Laviolette? Probably but I keep reading how he doesn't want to coach in Canada.

Who else is a better option?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by keeper34

Another "missed" opportunity to upgrade the head couch.

There wasn't enough space for a sectional.

[socalwingfan]

I know it's behind a paywall, but I recommend Duha's article on the Ward hiring, as usual well worth the read

“I think he’s a good coach who could be a great coach,” Treliving said Monday in an interview with The Athletic. “It’s one thing to say a coach has good communication skills. But our team genuinely felt — and I haven’t seen this a lot since being around Pat Quinn — but our players were devastated that they lost for him. Guys wanted to win for Geoff because they felt if they won, he would be back.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Gallant had a 3-0 lead with 10 mins left in his last playoff game and lost if we are gonna hang game 6 on Ward and his goalie pull

It has been reported before that Gallant does not get along well with management types. He had a franchise record 103 point season, then a roughly 0.500 record in the first 22 games the next season before being fired in Florida, while the team was full of injuries.

In fact, they didn't just fire him. They took his crap off the team bus and left it in the parking lot. They didn't even call him a taxi. It was just "later dude".

Then he has an expansion team record setting season with Vegas, and gets let go at the first sign of adversity.

I get the sense that some people just can't stand him after a while and will look for any reason to fire him. I don't know the guy, but there has to be some back story for how much little rope he gets and why he gets little goodwill.

Laviolette on the other hand is just a jerk. Unless you are contending, or at least in one of the most desirable locations to play in, players are not going to tolerate being miserable at work. Do you risk getting Laviolette, spin your wheels, and have every player wanting out? In a perfect world, they should just have to suck it up, but unfortunately, players have more leverage than ever now. The Flames management (allegedly) let some core players chase out a big meanie of coach, so the inmates already run the asylum.

[TheRealPepman]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Because the team was out getting wasted the night before games in Chicago.

Originally Posted by dino7c

The 04 Flames partied every night in the playoffs...there are some legendary stories of Kipper getting absolutely hammered the night before games

Even Iggy's Flames liked to party? I thought it was Gaudreau's Flames who only did it.

Maybe they must stop partying in order to be LESS mediocre?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheRealPepman

Even Iggy's Flames liked to party? I thought it was Gaudreau's Flames who only did it.

Maybe they must stop partying in order to be LESS mediocre?

Iggy didn't approve much if I read between the lines of some of Warrener's stories.

[Strange Brew]

We all might be surprised at the lack of correlation between partying and losing.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

We all might be surprised at the lack of correlation between partying and losing.

See Woods, Tiger.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

We all might be surprised at the lack of correlation between partying and losing.

Ryan Reaves: "If you can't play hockey hungover, then you probably shouldn't be in the league."