[News] UPD: Geoff Ward officially named the franchise's 20th head coach (2 year deal)

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I actually think Bruce would be a great assistant. Let him be the high energy a-hole.

I don't think his personality would allow for it now that he's been a head coach for so long. You see a lot of energetic a-hole head coaches with tactical assistants, you don't see it the other way around too often and likley for good reason.

A head coach needs everyone in the room to look to him as the ultimate leader of the team (whether he's abrasive and loud or tactful and quiet) and if an assistant is more commanding, loud and imposing than the head coach it will not work.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Do people actually think Peters was a cheap option for a coach? He opted out of something like a 3m contract with Carolina, it's safe to assume he got a similar number here and a 3m coach is not exactly a bargain price.

I believe most coaches now a days are in the 2-4mil range, with the top end coaches making 5-6mil. The coaching market has changed dramatically in the last 5 years or so and no, a 3mil coach is no longer a steep price for a coach.

He definitively was on the upper end of the average coaching salaries though, and that's on Treviling for head hunting a guy because he worked with him with Team Canada and got tunnel vision that he would be Calgary's next coach regardless of the market or the teams tools at the time.

[TheSquatch]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Treliving is not one to gloss over and spin his own mistakes IMO. He made a mistake with Neal and did his best to deal with it. Bought out Brouwer. Hamilton wasn’t a mistake per se but he wasn’t afraid to deal him after he was his big acquisition.

It's cynical, but I guess my point is that management, at some level, is "mission accomplished" if the team makes the playoffs any given year. They made the playoffs, so the coach is good enough. The core, good enough. Goalie... good enough.

So I don't expect a huge reach for coach, I don't expect a huge reach in terms of trades. I expect another dose of the same stuff. Cuz... they made the playoffs.

[Owen15]

Posting this here because I’m being pissy, but I think it’s crazy that there’s 15 pages dedicated to a coaching rumour and another 15 pages dedicated to the OEL rumour.

And 2 pages dedicated to the accomplishment of our captain for winning the leadership award.

As a fan base are we really that jaded?

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Owen15

Posting this here because I’m being pissy, but I think it’s crazy that there’s 15 pages dedicated to a coaching rumour and another 15 pages dedicated to the OEL rumour.

And 2 pages dedicated to the accomplishment of our captain for winning the leadership award.

As a fan base are we really that jaded?

More likely the award is picked by one guy and really doesn't mean a heck of a lot, as deserving as Giordano may be.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I believe most coaches now a days are in the 2-4mil range, with the top end coaches making 5-6mil. The coaching market has changed dramatically in the last 5 years or so and no, a 3mil coach is no longer a steep price for a coach.

He definitively was on the upper end of the average coaching salaries though, and that's on Treviling for head hunting a guy because he worked with him with Team Canada and got tunnel vision that he would be Calgary's next coach regardless of the market or the teams tools at the time.

Looking at the (incomplete) numbers on capfriendly, 3 million does seem to be about middle of the pack. 6 of the 11 listed amounts are over 3 million, the low is 1 million (Green), the high 5.25 in Quenneville. Trotz only comes in at 4 million, which surprises me. The Kings are giving McLellan 5m, which is laughable to me as I do not think he is a good coach at all.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Owen15

Posting this here because I’m being pissy, but I think it’s crazy that there’s 15 pages dedicated to a coaching rumour and another 15 pages dedicated to the OEL rumour.

And 2 pages dedicated to the accomplishment of our captain for winning the leadership award.

As a fan base are we really that jaded?

I don't think that is a fair comparison. This thread and the OEL ones are discussions. The Gio one is a celebration, there isn't much to say other than congrats; then to top it off most people don't take the Messier award seriously since he picks the winner himself.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Your recollection is wrong. Peters was not hired because he was affordable. Treliving targeted him; it was patently obvious that this was the guy he wanted; it sure didn't seem to have anything at all to do with salary.

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Yes he did, what most of us were upset about is he didn't even talk to anyone else or interview different candidates, he decided Peters was his guy no matter what. I am scared this is the same deal with Ward since we have not heard anything about any interviews. Instead of taking to a bunch of different guys and taking the time to hear their take on what they think they could do with this group he is just going to make the comfortable choice. Now I don't know that and I could be totally wrong, maybe he is making calls but I have a sinking feeling this is not the case and Ward will get the gig without him talking to other candidates.

[Beatle17]

Just a quick question about coaches salaries, how did Toronto make out with their $8M coach? How is Florida with their $6M coach? It is amazing how good some of these great coaches were in the no cap era but not so hot in the era where everyone can spend the same.

Can anyone honestly say they ever heard of John Cooper before Tampa got to where they are?

The Caps fired a boring, no offense coach who happened to win the cup for their chosen one Reirden and since then the Islanders have had more success.

Basically all coaches in the NHL run the exact same systems, with maybe a few tweaks on the power play. The teams with the best structure defensively will win just about every season and once the high offense, no defense teams learn to play in their own end then they succeed.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Just a quick question about coaches salaries, how did Toronto make out with their $8M coach? How is Florida with their $6M coach? It is amazing how good some of these great coaches were in the no cap era but not so hot in the era where everyone can spend the same.

Can anyone honestly say they ever heard of John Cooper before Tampa got to where they are?

The Caps fired a boring, no offense coach who happened to win the cup for their chosen one Reirden and since then the Islanders have had more success.

Basically all coaches in the NHL run the exact same systems, with maybe a few tweaks on the power play. The teams with the best structure defensively will win just about every season and once the high offense, no defense teams learn to play in their own end then they succeed.

Or Edmonton with McLelland?

[djsFlames]

Babcock hadn't had success since back in the wings days, was looking like the game had passed him by since then. McLellan didn't do much with some good sharks teams. There were questions marks around those guys.

But there's absolutely a crop of high profile coaches that have gone to different cities and consistently raised the level of play of the teams they've coached. Trotz, Torts and Vigneau are examples. If Gallant and Laviolette bring the same sort of potential then you have to look hard at that.

There are examples on both sides of it.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Babcock hadn't had success since back in the wings days, was looking like the game had passed him by since then. McLellan didn't do much with some good sharks teams. There were questions marks around those guys.

But there's absolutely a crop of high profile coaches that have gone to different cities and consistently raised the level of play of the teams they've coached. Trotz, Torts and Vigneau are examples. If Gallant and Laviolette bring the same sort of potential then you have to look hard at that.

There are examples on both sides of it.

Laviolette reportedly doesn't want to coach in Canada, so that would rule him out if true.

With Gallant we need to know why he was dropped suddenly twice in about 3 years after being successful with those teams. Raising the teams play doesn't make a difference if he's going to be dropped in a year.

I have little doubt they have been looked at. But Laviolette might not be an option at all and Gallant may not be a good option.

[Sandman]

Methinks Gallant doesn't get along with management-types.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Owen15

Posting this here because I’m being pissy, but I think it’s crazy that there’s 15 pages dedicated to a coaching rumour and another 15 pages dedicated to the OEL rumour.

And 2 pages dedicated to the accomplishment of our captain for winning the leadership award.

As a fan base are we really that jaded?

Our captain won it because some post 1980s bum decided to gift him an award. If Gio actually deserved an award for his on and off ice dedications this year, based on his play, I hope he built an international airport at the children's hospital to compensate for how dismal of a season and playoffs he had.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Our captain won it because some post 1980s bum decided to gift him an award. If Gio actually deserved an award for his on and off ice dedications this year, based on his play, I hope he built an international airport at the children's hospital to compensate for how dismal of a season and playoffs he had.

Quoted for harshness

[Sandman]

Did somebody pee in your cornflakes?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Our captain won it because some post 1980s bum decided to gift him an award. If Gio actually deserved an award for his on and off ice dedications this year, based on his play, I hope he built an international airport at the children's hospital to compensate for how dismal of a season and playoffs he had.

Gio, at 36, had about as many points as Seth Jones, Nate Schmidt, Klingberg, Macavoy, OEL, Edholm, Niskanen...

It wasn’t vintage Gio. It wasn’t “dismal”.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Gio, at 36, had about as many points as Seth Jones, Nate Schmidt, Klingberg, Macavoy, OEL, Edholm, Niskanen...

It wasn’t vintage Gio. It wasn’t “dismal”.

How many of those guys are still in the playoffs? I guess Gio could get bonus points for scoring similarly to the former juice monkey Nate Schmidt. Hurrah.

What a leader

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

How many of those guys are still in the playoffs?

What a leader

You said he had a dismal season. He didn’t. As for how many - two. Also not in the POs: Josi, Ekblad, Carlson, Pietrangelo, Makar, Deangelo, Hughes, Krug, Suter, Ekblad, Hamilton....

[Locke]

Originally Posted by getbak

Gulutzan was here for 2 seasons.

And all the alcohol in the world cant make me forget that.

If only we could have had Gulutzan coaching Anders Erikssen. Perfect storm.