Potential Gaudreau trades: Rest of Eastern Conference Post#253

[GioforPM]

The proposals all trade Gaudreau to the area he supposedly wants to go to before his LNTC kicks in. Isn’t the idea of trading him this year partly based on the fact he can be traded anywhere?

I realize that it’s partly based on the re-signing possibility but I’m sure there are a few other teams that think they can do that as well. Out east half the teams are a couple hours flight away from JG’s home town.

[bax]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Toffolli.

Please no

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Rangers are the least likely to trade for Gaudreau. They have may have been a plausible destination before the lottery, but with Lafreniere landing in their lap, they now have a LW depth chart of:

Panarin ($11.6 mil)
Kreider ($6.5 mil)
Lafreniere

I just can't see them moving out significant assets to they can have the most loaded LW lineup (and cap hit) in NHL history. If they make a big trade to help them compete in the near-term, it will be for a defenceman.

NJ likewise don't make for great trade partners. They just let a superstar LW walk because they're not in their contention window. Has that really changed in one season? They also don't have much in assets the Flames need, except maybe Palmieri, and he's one year away from UFA (and a local NJ boy who would be unlikely to re-sign with the Flames).

The Isles are facing major cap problems. Hard to see them bringing in Gaudreau without sending back comparable salary (Eberle?). And again, looking at their depth chart they have Lee and Beauvillier as locks as their top two LW. That position is the least of their problems. Like the Rangers, if the Isles make a splashy trade it will be for a defenceman.

Kind of indicates that Krieder would be the return, doesn't it.

Kreider + Georgiev + 1st Carolina would probably be as far as they will go.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The proposals all trade Gaudreau to the area he supposedly wants to go to before his LNTC kicks in. Isn’t the idea of trading him this year partly based on the fact he can be traded anywhere?

I realize that it’s partly based on the re-signing possibility but I’m sure there are a few other teams that think they can do that as well. Out east half the teams are a couple hours flight away from JG’s home town.

Yeah, I think a team like Columbus would be a better fit than most of the New York area teams.

Columbus to NJ flight time: 1:45.

[Roof-Daddy]

Carolina would also be a good fit for Johnny if they felt he could be re-signed.

Up and coming team, Raleigh is not far from south Jersey, plus Johnny seems like he has the type of personality that would almost prefer to be somewhere where the spot light isn't quite as bright.

[N26]

Yes

Nice to come back this time and see lots of on-team proposals.

I have struggled to see a NJD or NYI trade that works but I am cooking up a Rangers trade that might.

As to those of you mentioning other teams we are working outwards from Sewell, New Jersey as it seemed like a good place to start.

You can start on your Washington, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Columbus or Boston proposals if you want and get them ready for tomorrow

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Rangers are the least likely to trade for Gaudreau. They have may have been a plausible destination before the lottery, but with Lafreniere landing in their lap, they now have a LW depth chart of:

Panarin ($11.6 mil)
Kreider ($6.5 mil)
Lafreniere

I just can't see them moving out significant assets to they can have the most loaded LW lineup (and cap hit) in NHL history. If they make a big trade to help them compete in the near-term, it will be for a defenceman.

NJ likewise don't make for great trade partners. They just let a superstar LW walk because they're not in their contention window. Has that really changed in one season? They also don't have much in assets the Flames need, except maybe Palmieri, and he's one year away from UFA (and a local NJ boy who would be unlikely to re-sign with the Flames).

The Isles are facing major cap problems. Hard to see them bringing in Gaudreau without sending back comparable salary (Eberle?). And again, looking at their depth chart they have Lee and Beauvillier as locks as their top two LW. That position is the least of their problems. Like the Rangers, if the Isles make a splashy trade it will be for a defenceman.

Let's keep in mind the Devils didn't want to let Hall go at all, they made multiple attempts to sign him, he wanted to test FA instead so they got what they could for him. The Devils are just starting the beginning of their contention window, they most certainly would be interested in Gaudreau.

[N26]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Let's keep in mind the Devils didn't want to let Hall go at all, they made multiple attempts to sign him, he wanted to test FA instead so they got what they could for him. The Devils are just starting the beginning of their contention window, they most certainly would be interested in Gaudreau.

I don't know if that is true. They are two+ plus years from being a playoff-contending team in my mind.

On capfriendly armchair Gm I could not pick a direction. They have some older, mostly underperforming high contracts (ie Schneider $6.0 and Subban $9.0) that thankfully end soon and a bunch of middle range players and prospects outside of Hischier and Hughes (of whom I am not convinced is more than an average top pick).

As NJ GM I would go full rebuild. They thought they were contenders before they were and are now caught in a no man's land

[Harry Lime]

It's odd that people are not seeing New Jersey as a fit. They are one of the easiest calls, for me, with a lot of options. They want a high calibre winger to play with Hirshier, who is himself a great two way player. A Johnny and Nico tandem for half a decade or more sounds pretty good.

Jersey wouldn't want to sacrifice young players that would fit on their NHL roster this upcoming season, but they also have had so many high picks in the last while that they are fully capable of moving some capital.

First round picks #18 and #20 (
Jesper Boqvist (high floor/low ceiling centreman with wheels, eventually a solid 2C)
Miles Wood (another burner, has to get better defensively, but improving)
Riley Walsh (RH RD taking his last year at Harvard. Adam Fox situation for NJ? No downside to adding him, but a solid player)

So four assets, no sure things, all high potential. Plus Wood.

[Classic_Sniper]

Just out of curiosity since I haven’t bothered to look through all 150 posts in this thread, but how many posters have put the expansion draft into consideration here? I’ve noticed a lot of quantity trades, but I’d personally be opposed to trading for multiple roster players as the chances of losing a strong roster player to Seattle next season will be high.

For myself personally, I’d be looking at quality over quantity; in other words, a one for one lateral trade if it exists would be my preference or even better, a quality player who will only have 2 years of pro service who will be exempted from the expansion draft. This could be a very tricky trade for Treliving to pull off correctly in my opinion. Conversely, I guess the scenario exists where he signs Taylor Hall and then just trades Gaudreau for futures. Gonna be an interesting next month.

[Vinny01]

7th overall, 17th overall, Ty Smith, Pavel Zacha
For
Gaudreau, 19th overall, Kylington

[N26]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Just out of curiosity since I haven’t bothered to look through all 150 posts in this thread, but how many posters have put the expansion draft into consideration here? I’ve noticed a lot of quantity trades, but I’d personally be opposed to trading for multiple roster players as the chances of losing a strong roster player to Seattle next season will be high.

For myself personally, I’d be looking at quality over quantity; in other words, a one for one lateral trade if it exists would be my preference or even better, a quality player who will only have 2 years of pro service who will be exempted from the expansion draft. This could be a very tricky trade for Treliving to pull off correctly in my opinion. Conversely, I guess the scenario exists where he signs Taylor Hall and then just trades Gaudreau for futures. Gonna be an interesting next month.

I did ask people to consider the expansion draft and a few have. There haven't been many proposals with an imbalance of roster players going one way so it hasn't been necessary. Or the roster players moving have involved some ineligible for the expansion draft, like Morgan Frost

The Johnny-for-futures trades are very hard to do in an unexpected flat cap. Only a few teams can do it and most of them are teams like Ottawa, New Jersey, Detroit etc who many feel, don't have a good reason to add a player like Johnny at this point

[N26]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

7th overall, 17th overall, Ty Smith, Pavel Zacha
For
Gaudreau, 19th overall, Kylington

That works value-wise quite well but as NJ GM I would be reluctant to give up Smith

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Just out of curiosity since I haven’t bothered to look through all 150 posts in this thread, but how many posters have put the expansion draft into consideration here? I’ve noticed a lot of quantity trades, but I’d personally be opposed to trading for multiple roster players as the chances of losing a strong roster player to Seattle next season will be high.

For myself personally, I’d be looking at quality over quantity; in other words, a one for one lateral trade if it exists would be my preference or even better, a quality player who will only have 2 years of pro service who will be exempted from the expansion draft. This could be a very tricky trade for Treliving to pull off correctly in my opinion. Conversely, I guess the scenario exists where he signs Taylor Hall and then just trades Gaudreau for futures. Gonna be an interesting next month.

New Jersey’s 7th overall pick remains the most important piece in a trade to me. Ditto with Buffalo’s 8th overall if Monahan were to be traded.

I don’t want to lose someone like Mangiapane/Dube/Bennett to the expansion draft - their mixture of skill and compete level is what the focus of the core going forward should be about.

Originally Posted by N26

That works value-wise quite well but as NJ GM I would be reluctant to give up Smith

Chop out the extras.

To NJD: Gaudreau
To CGY: NJD’s 1st (7th), ARZ’s 1st (18th) and probably toss in a 2021 2nd round pick (NYI’s)

[Hackey]

I know its not a popular opinion and odds of it happening are slim to none but I think the only way you maximize the value of Gaudreau and Monahan is going for picks and hitting on them. If next year is as deep as people think you could find a couple great players in the 8-12 range.

Any other package where we get a lesser roster player and a couple extra pieces I dont think helps in the short or long term.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

7th overall, 17th overall, Ty Smith, Pavel Zacha
For
Gaudreau, 19th overall, Kylington

NJ fans still think highly of Zacha. If you remove Smith and Kylington, I think that would be acceptable to both sides. Moving up two spots in the draft could be a cagey move. If there is a faller in the late top 10 or early teens, a steal could be had.

Edit : put a little checkmark next to this. I like it! And I think that it works for New Jersey.

[CliffFletcher]

Something to keep in mind: A lot of teams are going with a reduced payroll next year. The Sabres, for instance, are rumoured to be planning a $70 mil internal cap. That's going to have a big impact on potential trades.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Something to keep in mind: A lot of teams are going with a reduced payroll next year. The Sabres, for instance, are rumoured to be planning a $70 mil internal cap. That's going to have a big impact on potential trades.

I don't know how Buffalo is going to manage that, they already have just shy of $50 million committed with just 10 players committed to their 23 man roster. Especially with Kahun, Reinhart, Olafsson, Ullmark and Montour as RFAs

[N26]

To NYR - Gaudreau and D. Ryan

To Cgy - L Andersson, P Buchnevich, M Robertson and 2021 1st

First and foremost the Rangers need a graceful exit with King Henrik. A trade or retirement. A lot of this also depends on whether one of Kreider or Gaudreau can/is willing to play RW. This allows them to ease Lafreniere in at 5-on-5 playing 3rd line to start. If he’s as good as advertised they can look at moving Chytil, Howden or even Kakko for a haul.

Why Derek Ryan? He’s a player that the Rangers don’t really have at the moment and with just 1 year left he can anchor a 4th line and kill penalties. Why does Calgary trade him? For cap space and because they want to play Bennett at centre.

Believing they are now a contender the Rangers expect the 2021 1st rounder to be in the 20s.

The Rangers re-sign DeAngelo, Lemieux and Georgiev on 2-3 year bridge contracts and UFA Jesper Fast for a solid but small raise. Strome is the loser here but perhaps the Rangers can get a nice draft pick for his RFA rights as his Panarin-inflated counting stats make him look better than he probably is. One of the teams with a lot of picks (ie Jersey or Ottawa) will probably give up a 2nd or 3rd for him.

Panarin-Zibanejad-Kakko
Gaudreau-Chytil-Kreider
Lafreniere-Howden-Fast
Lemieux-Ryan-Kravtsov
NShore-Gauthier

Smith-Trouba
MStaal-Fox
Lindgren-DeAngelo
Hajek

Shesterkin
Georgiev

Got that in $1,5 million under the cap.

Expansion list

Forward - Panarin, Zibanejad, Gaudreau, Kreider, Chytil, Howden and 1 of Fast, Lemieux or Gauthier

Defense - Trouba and 2 of Smith, DeAngelo and Lindgren

Goal - Georgiev

With Lafreniere, Fox, Shesterkin and Kakko safe from the expansion draft the Rangers are in a good position

Calgary Roster

Tkachuk-Monahan-Buchnevich
Mangiapane-Backlund-Lindholm
Lucic-Bennett-Dube
LAndersson-Gawdin-Rieder

Giordano-XXXXXX
Hanifin-RAndersson
Valimaki-Kylington

Rittich
XXXXX

Lots of Cap space (18 players signed with $17 million space left) for the Flames to look for a goalie, defenseman and forward. Hall, Murray and Brodie could maybe fit in that.

Calgary gets Buchnevich who can play both wings around the top 9. Give Lias Andersson a restart on his NHL career and Robertson for their defensive prospect depth plus a 2021 1st rounder

[dammage79]

^Thats the trade I was working on, except it was a 2020 pick.

Allegedly the Flames were pretty high on Robertson in that draft so it makes sense they'd take a priority on him.

Booch is one of my favorite current players and he is just coming into his stride now.

And I think Lias Andersson would benefit greatly mentoring under Backlund.

I really wanted to do a Ritter/ Georgiev swap in my deal proposal as well