Value of Oliver Ekman-Larsson to Calgary

[bax]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If the Flames go into the season with Gio/Hanifin/Anderson/Kylington/brendan davidson/michael stone they will get killed.

The desperation for the coyotes to move OEL is probably just a bit worse than Calgary's desperation to get a 22+ minute a night defender.

Who says Calgary is going into the season with that defense?

We have Giordano, Hanifin, Valimaki, and Kylington on the left side already. The last thing Calgary needs is another left side defender, especially not one making over 8 million for seven more seasons.

[Enoch Root]

I think the chances that they sign at least one of Brodie, Gustafsson, Forbort is pretty high. And if not, they look outward.

A lot of dominoes before they desperately turn to OEL

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think the chances that they sign at least one of Brodie, Gustafsson, Forbort is pretty high. And if not, they look outward.

A lot of dominoes before they desperately turn to OEL

I would bet the only one that might be here next year is Forbort. I’m guessing Calgary won’t pay market value for either Brodie or Gus.

[Macho0978]

Drew Doughty has looked pretty bad on a very bad LA team the last couple years. OEL has played with slop his whole career. I'd like to see him on a good team. Its crazy how underrated he is getting right now. Mid picks 50 percent retained? Lol he's better than that

[bax]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Drew Doughty has looked pretty bad on a very bad LA team the last couple years. OEL has played with slop his whole career. I'd like to see him on a good team. Its crazy how underrated he is getting right now. Mid picks 50 percent retained? Lol he's better than that

He’s a second pairing guy getting paid undisputed # 1 money. That’s the problem.

Unless you think Tocchet has really wrecked his game

[Roof-Daddy]

The more I think about it, the more I think it would be Hanifin leaving if the Flames traded for OEL. Either in the actual trade, or to a different team for a top 6 forward or for futures.

Giordano isn't going anywhere, IMO.

If they do trade for OEL, hopefully he has a resurgence with a change of scenery, and hopefully the Flames also rid themselves of over paid bottom 6 forwards in the trade, and for the love of god hopefully they keep (or replace) their 1st and 2nd round picks for the 2020 draft. I will be extremely disappointed if we don't nab a couple of (what will likely end up being) high end prospects in the 1st two rounds coming up.

[TheScorpion]

acquiring OEL for nothing and then moving Hanifin for a cheaper, good forward doesn't sound so bad to me.

but Hanifin for OEL? god, why?

[Igottago]

I admit I haven't watched him closely over the last few seasons but why are people assuming OEL is done at 29? Lots of good defensemen have played at a high level well into their 30's. Gio won a Norris at 35ish. OEL could easily have 5-7 great to solid years left in his career. I find it strange that people write off players that haven't even hit 30 yet.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I assume they hope Valimaki will be back.

But it also seems clear that Brodie was never going to re-sign here. Kind of mismanaged that situation.

It seems clear based on what?

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Do not want Stepan at all. Where does he fit.

If Sam truly wants out, Ryan appears to have fallen out of favour, so, 3rd line centre (Conroy 2.0?)

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Hall - Backlund - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Stepan - Dubé

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Igottago

I admit I haven't watched him closely over the last few seasons but why are people assuming OEL is done at 29? Lots of good defensemen have played at a high level well into their 30's. Gio won a Norris at 35ish. OEL could easily have 5-7 great to solid years left in his career. I find it strange that people write of players that haven't even hit 30 yet.

I've no problem acquiring OEL, my only problem is I don't remember him ever playing RD, we have Hanifin/Gio/Valimaki on the left side, and we already have a bit of money tied to D.

Move one of Giordano/Hanifin and there is now a need to acquire OEL.

Your top 4 in the future should either have the LD side as OEL/Valimaki or Hanifin/Valimaki. Doesn't make sense to acquire another D when offense has always been Calgary's main issue.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

acquiring OEL for nothing and then moving Hanifin for a cheaper, good forward doesn't sound so bad to me.

but Hanifin for OEL? god, why?

I didn't say Hanifin for OEL, so simmer down lol.

(I assume you were talking to me)

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I didn't say Hanifin for OEL, so simmer down lol.

(I assume you were talking to me)

I was talking to you, and I agree with what you said. With the latter part I was addressing people who are including Hanifin AND a 1st AND something else in weird OEL proposals.

[Corral]

Sure. Lets take on OEL and then sign Hall for like 9M per year.

Wow. 17million annual to a couple guys in their 30s who have been on losing teams for a decade.

And people here make fun of the oilers paying similar money for mcdavid and draisaitl

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I've no problem acquiring OEL, my only problem is I don't remember him ever playing RD, we have Hanifin/Gio/Valimaki on the left side, and we already have a bit of money tied to D.

Move one of Giordano/Hanifin and there is now a need to acquire OEL.

Your top 4 in the future should either have the LD side as OEL/Valimaki or Hanifin/Valimaki. Doesn't make sense to acquire another D when offense has always been Calgary's main issue.

I don't disagree from a positional need but I also look at it like the move would basically rewind the clock on the Flames top defensman for years to come. I would be assuming Gio is as good as gone of course. But think of it like they just took Gio and made him 29. But he'd be swedish.

I'm not as sour on the Flames investigating this. I've always wanted them to be more ruthless with how they deal with declining players and if they are essentially putting Gio out to pasture in favour of a younger replacement, its actually not a bad idea.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I've no problem acquiring OEL, my only problem is I don't remember him ever playing RD, we have Hanifin/Gio/Valimaki on the left side, and we already have a bit of money tied to D.

Move one of Giordano/Hanifin and there is now a need to acquire OEL.

Your top 4 in the future should either have the LD side as OEL/Valimaki or Hanifin/Valimaki. Doesn't make sense to acquire another D when offense has always been Calgary's main issue.

IMO you don't acquire OEL without one of Gio or Hanifin going....somewhere.

Also, OEL is a Dman, but he also brings offense. He was on pace for his 7th straight season of 40 or more points. He was also on pace to score double digit goals for the 8th time out of his 10 year career. The Flames D does not bring enough offense to the table, especially with Gio starting to possibly slow down on that front.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

IMO you don't acquire OEL without one of Gio or Hanifin going....somewhere.

The Flames have already tried to send Noah Hanifin to New Jersey, and is likely not in their long term plans.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by bax

Who says Calgary is going into the season with that defense?

We have Giordano, Hanifin, Valimaki, and Kylington on the left side already. The last thing Calgary needs is another left side defender, especially not one making over 8 million for seven more seasons.

I think the Flames probably feel like

OEL
Gio
Valimaki

is better. I don't think the organization has a very high opinion of Kylington at this point.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

It seems clear based on what?

Don’t know why you’d be in the market to give up assets for a big money defenseman if re-signing Brodie was an option. And it seems like there have been occasional whispers that Brodie wanted to go back east and there hasn’t been progress on a new deal. And of course he was dealt last summer before Kadri nixed the trade.

I guess we’ll see.

Pay Brodie $7M or trade assets for OEL at $8.25?

The second makes more sense if the first wasn’t an option.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

IMO you don't acquire OEL without one of Gio or Hanifin going....somewhere.

Also, OEL is a Dman, but he also brings offense. He was on pace for his 7th straight season of 40 or more points. He was also on pace to score double digit goals for the 8th time out of his 10 year career. The Flames D does not bring enough offense to the table, especially with Gio starting to possibly slow down on that front.

OEL brings even less offense to the table than Hanifin. The only difference between their totals is that OEL plays PP.

5 on 5 totals for OEL:

2018-2019: 81 games 5 goals 13 assists
2019-2020: 66 games 5 goals 17 assists

5 on 5 totals for Hanifin:

2018-2019: 80 games 5 goals 26 assists
2019-2020: 70 games 5 goals 17 assists

Only difference is Hanifin is 3.35 million dollars cheaper, 6 years younger, and on the upswing instead of the downswing.

Sometimes the grass isn’t always greener.