2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[dissentowner]

If you are trading Gaudreau and Monahan for picks and prospects you are taking a team that really only needs a good coach and maybe one more piece to be a contender and flushing it down the drain. You better move Gio as well and you can forget about handing Tkachuk the C as he will bolt as soon as his contract is up as he believes in this group and you will be sending him the totally wrong message. You won't be landing a Hall if that is your thinking as he wants to play for a team looking to win, not tank. The best play the Flames can make here is to bring in a good coach and maybe another piece or two depending on cap space. This is a team that is built to win now and can but you need the right conductor to drive the engine.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If you are trading Gaudreau and Monahan for picks and prospects you are taking a team that really only needs a good coach and maybe one more piece to be a contender and flushing it down the drain. You better move Gio as well and you can forget about handing Tkachuk the C as he will bolt as soon as his contract is up as he believes in this group and you will be sending him the totally wrong message. You won't be landing a Hall if that is your thinking as he wants to play for a team looking to win, not tank. The best play the Flames can make here is to bring in a good coach and maybe another piece or two depending on cap space. This is a team that is built to win now and can but you need the right conductor to drive the engine.

Unless those pieces are a number 1 center and a number 1 defenseman, than no this team isn't that close to contending.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

At least Vegas is trading future for "high end" now pieces.

Tampa, despite having a top 2 or 3 team in the league, still had themselves two 1st round picks in this very deep draft coming up. I still can't believe they traded those picks for Goodrow and Coleman. I mean both players are playing a lot, and playing well in their current run, but it still seems to me like they overpaid when they didn't really have to.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The time is now for that team more than any team in the league.

Like you said, they had 2 firsts still. How is that even possible?

I think when you're the best team in the league, there is no better time to waste future assets to get the player you want.

Getting 2 specific guys who really do two specific things in order to push 2 other lesser guys down the lineup is a reasonable cost to pay. Coleman is giving them 13-18 solid minutes every night and being able to promote him up the lineup will be invaluable compared with a replacement like Stephens or Maroon.

Coleman suprised me at first but when you dig into some of his defensive metrics it became clear they were trading for one of the best defensive forwards in the league, that is also a 20 goal threat, and he had one more season on his deal.

So that one made a little sense.

The Goodrow one still makes no sense to me though. Good role player but no way was he worth a 1st. He's not even a 10 goal guy, and he's not as good defensively as Coleman. Really he's a decent 4th liner, and most of his value is he only costs $925k.

Honestly based on production and advanced stats I'm not sure he's that much better than Jankowski. He's never stood out to me watching San Jose play either.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by New Era

Why would Barzal sign an offersheet with the Flames if they just dumped 2/3 of the top line? Guy is a few games from a possible Stanley Cup final and is on a good team. Why would he chuck that to come to a rebuilding team? And yes, a team that dumps its first line for futures is rebuilding.

Because money talks. We can probably offer sheet Barzal for 5 years and 10.5m. Even if we don't win that bid we can still offer sheet Pulock, who would be a great fit on the Flames playing with Giordano or Valimaki as his partner. Could also acquire Leddy for super cheap so the Isles could sign Pulock. Leddy is still a top 4 d-man.

The Isles and Lightning are in trouble this off season, this is the time the Flames need to take advantage of that, or else some other team in the Western conference is going to do it.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Because money talks. We can probably offer sheet Barzal for 5 years and 10.5m. Even if we don't win that bid we can still offer sheet Pulock, who would be a great fit on the Flames playing with Giordano or Valimaki as his partner. Could also acquire Leddy for super cheap so the Isles could sign Pulock. Leddy is still a top 4 d-man.

The Isles and Lightning are in trouble this off season, this is the time the Flames need to take advantage of that, or else some other team in the Western conference is going to do it.

Agreed, Treliving needs to be all over the Isles and Bolts this off season. Like you said, if he doesn't take advantage of their cap situations some other western conference team will and that just makes things even harder for the Flames going forward.

[1qqaaz]

Apparently the Knights and Robin Lehner have agreed to a 5-year deal at 5 million per year.

Darn, good deal if true.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Apparently the Knights and Robin Lehner have agreed to a 5-year deal at 5 million per year.

Darn, good deal if true.

Where are you seeing this?

[bax]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Coleman suprised me at first but when you dig into some of his defensive metrics it became clear they were trading for one of the best defensive forwards in the league, that is also a 20 goal threat, and he had one more season on his deal.

So that one made a little sense.

The Goodrow one still makes no sense to me though. Good role player but no way was he worth a 1st. He's not even a 10 goal guy, and he's not as good defensively as Coleman. Really he's a decent 4th liner, and most of his value is he only costs $925k.

Honestly based on production and advanced stats I'm not sure he's that much better than Jankowski. He's never stood out to me watching San Jose play either.

Goodrow is signed for under a million for next season as well. Also he wasn't just traded for a 1st straight up. He came with a 3rd round pick so really Tampa gets Goodrow for 1.5 seasons in exchange for dropping sixty-ish spots in the draft. Maybe a slight over pay, but not that outrageous given he is playing almost 18 minutes a night for them in the playoffs.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Where are you seeing this?

Real Kyper at Noon (Nick Kypreos).

[ComixZone]

Friedman just dropped on the Fan that he thinks the Flames will be in on Kuemper/OEL.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Real Kyper at Noon (Nick Kypreos).

Hope it's true. Dude deserves it and has overcome a lot.

[Nelson]

Friedman is on 960. He just said that more than OEL, he wouldn't be surprised if the Flames were in on Kuemper.

Says Edmonton may also be interested.

At the very least it will cost a 1st rounder.

Says he thinks Calgary is in on the conversation around Kuemper.

[bax]

Kuemper would be a huge get for next season. That would be great.

[ComixZone]

Friedman also notes that he wouldn’t be shocked if the head coach is announced by the end of this week or next week

[PepsiFree]

I'd be very happy to get Kuemper, and less happy to get OEL (solely because of the ridiculous price tag, really).

I guess it wouldn't be too surprising to see a big trade involving OEL/Kuemper/Hall's rights coming to Calgary. What do you think we realistically give up in that scenario?

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Pretty much the only things I'm ok with trading our first for are either a legit #1G or #1C.

Kuemper would be fantastic.

OEL I'm not as interested in, unless we're replacing Gio with him, then sure.

[Roof-Daddy]

Why can't this team just do things the right way ever?

I am so sick and tired of them trading 1st and 2nd round picks because they can't draft and develop enough of their own high end players that they have to give away picks to get the players they need, and then they still aren't good enough to get out of the first goddamn round of the playoffs.

The Kings signed Kuemper as a UFA two years ago for $650k.

650k!

Then they traded him for Reider and Wedgewood. Reider and Wedgewood!

Now that he's a fricken top end starter the Flames will be in on him though, apparently for a 1st round pick?!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I'd be very happy to get Kuemper, and less happy to get OEL (solely because of the ridiculous price tag, really).

I guess it wouldn't be too surprising to see a big trade involving OEL/Kuemper/Hall's rights coming to Calgary. What do you think we realistically give up in that scenario?

If the rumours are true and Hall has his sites of free agency with Calgary being possible destination, I can't see his rights being more more than a conditional pick (maybe a 2021 3rd rounder if he signs before free agency).

I think OEL has negative value. His contract is abhorrent IMO, and it would also push Brodie out the door, so there is an opportunity cost there if you still want to re-sign Brodie. So from a Flames perspective, you would have to look at the trade as having Brodie out as part of it.

I'm also not sold on Kuemper. He had a great season, but was statistically on par with Raanta. It leads me to believe his success may more of a team result than individual. I would rather roll the dice with Talbot again if Kuemper was going to cost anything more than a 2nd rounder.

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Yup, sucks, but the Flames didn't sign Kuemper as a UFA, or trade to get him for nothing. But that doesn't mean you don't trade for him now out of spite of those facts.

Ideally Parsons or Wolf turns into our #1 in a few years. Problem is they want to remain competitive, and feel until one of those guys is the answer, we'll need to find an answer. Whether or not you agree with that I guess is another discussion.

I really would like to make a deal work that doesn't involve the first rounder, because I feel there are some great players available in the 10-25 range this year. But if the Kuemper we've seen this past year was available, you'd take him at #19 anyway, so /shrug

[mdubz]

Would really hate it if the Flames wasted a 1st on a goalie. Goaltending isn't our issue, as seen in the Playoffs and the majority of the regular season.