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Old 09-08-2020, 08:46 PM   #3381
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Pretty funny.

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Old 09-08-2020, 09:12 PM   #3383
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And what exactly was Yang's response to this issue? What was his policy issue? To give people a monthly check. That doesn't solve the problem. That isn't a policy position. Policy positions actually try and answer the question and solve the underlying problem. Dude, this conversation is way beyond your grasp on politics, governance, and the American form of government.
UBI is "not a policy position"?

Aside from climate change action, UBI is THE policy position of the 21st century.

Remember that there were many 2-time Obama voters who voted for Trump. Why did they do it? Because they were feeling disenfranchised by the status quo, and wanted to vote for an outsider who showed them a better future. That's where Yang, in my opinion, shines brighter than Trump, Biden, or any of the other candidates who ran for president this year.

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Another polling bonanza today (some of which are discussed above) and a mix of results that if you’re Biden might give you comfort in some swing states while giving you heartburn in a few others.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ident-general/

So if you’re Biden you like that there were not one but TWO polls in Wisconsin showing Biden up 8 points. You might temper that reaction when you realize one of those two is from a British pollster that (frankly) I had not heard of until today. And then another poll (from Democratic pollster PPP) conforms that Texas is very, very, close.

On the “bad” side there is a Marist poll showing Biden and Trump tied (48-48) in Florida. Two other polls (one from that British pollster and another from a Democratic-affiliated firm) show Biden with small leads in Florida within the margin of error.

And then the “middling”. GOP pollster Susquehanna continues to show a tight race in Pennsylvania. Other pollsters have Biden leads in the low single digits in PA as well as Michigan and Arizona. On the other hand, Trump being up only 5 in Missouri is a bad sign for him.

I guess one way to look at it is if you are looking for a narrative you can find it today....
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Another polling bonanza today (some of which are discussed above) and a mix of results that if you’re Biden might give you comfort in some swing states while giving you heartburn in a few others.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ident-general/

So if you’re Biden you like that there were not one but TWO polls in Wisconsin showing Biden up 8 points. You might temper that reaction when you realize one of those two is from a British pollster that (frankly) I had not heard of until today. And then another poll (from Democratic pollster PPP) conforms that Texas is very, very, close.

On the “bad” side there is a Marist poll showing Biden and Trump tied (48-48) in Florida. Two other polls (one from that British pollster and another from a Democratic-affiliated firm) show Biden with small leads in Florida within the margin of error.

And then the “middling”. GOP pollster Susquehanna continues to show a tight race in Pennsylvania. Other pollsters have Biden leads in the low single digits in PA as well as Michigan and Arizona. On the other hand, Trump being up only 5 in Missouri is a bad sign for him.

I guess one way to look at it is if you are looking for a narrative you can find it today....
Just wanna say you did a great job summarizing polls and adding just a bit of your opinions with each summary as well in 2016, so I'm glad you're doing the same this year.
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Another polling bonanza today (some of which are discussed above) and a mix of results that if you’re Biden might give you comfort in some swing states while giving you heartburn in a few others.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ident-general/

So if you’re Biden you like that there were not one but TWO polls in Wisconsin showing Biden up 8 points. You might temper that reaction when you realize one of those two is from a British pollster that (frankly) I had not heard of until today. And then another poll (from Democratic pollster PPP) conforms that Texas is very, very, close.

On the “bad” side there is a Marist poll showing Biden and Trump tied (48-48) in Florida. Two other polls (one from that British pollster and another from a Democratic-affiliated firm) show Biden with small leads in Florida within the margin of error.

And then the “middling”. GOP pollster Susquehanna continues to show a tight race in Pennsylvania. Other pollsters have Biden leads in the low single digits in PA as well as Michigan and Arizona. On the other hand, Trump being up only 5 in Missouri is a bad sign for him.

I guess one way to look at it is if you are looking for a narrative you can find it today....

Absent another almost Covid-level Black Swan event I doubt we'll see any movement in polls that isn't simply noise.

I subscribe to the political theory that there are no more undecided voters. People know who they're voting for if they vote. The key to winning this election is going to be turnout.
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UBI is "not a policy position"?
No, its not a policy position. For something to be a policy position it needs political support. It needs funding support. It needs regulatory and legal support. UBI has none of the above. UBI is an idea, and a half baked idea at that. There is no support for UBI and the American voter will not back the concept, and the power brokers in Washington will not get behind the idea either. UBI is dead on arrival. You'll see universal healthcare in the United States before UBI, and that won't happen in the next 20 years either.

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Says who? You? Because no one is talking about in the United States. The only guy talking about it was Yang, and he got kicked to the curb because he wasn't viewed as a serious candidate with serious ideas.

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Remember that there were many 2-time Obama voters who voted for Trump. Why did they do it? Because they were feeling disenfranchised by the status quo, and wanted to vote for an outsider who showed them a better future. That's where Yang, in my opinion, shines brighter than Trump, Biden, or any of the other candidates who ran for president this year.
No, they did it because they were whiny little bitches that didn't get their way in the primaries and this was their way of showing the DNC who was boss. Well you whiny little bitches, how did that work out for you? Yeah, not so well. And thanks to those whiny little bitches we all got stuck with Cheeto Mussolini.

How the hell was Yang showing a better future? Promoting the nanny state that is so derided in this country? Promoting socialism that is pretty much a non-starter for American voters? Yang rode the UBI sham to gain some attention, but beyond that he was all hat and no horse. He was a like able guy, but he had no real plan and no real policy.

Oh god, not more of this betting odds bull####. I finally see where you got your 10% of Republicans would vote for Yang stat - and that was 10% of New Hampshire Republicans. Should I remind you that New Hampshire (4 whole electoral college votes) went Democrat last election and is trending the same this election cycle, so massive gains there.

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It's wonderful saying that, except that is how the system is set up in the United States, at every level. It is a binary system where the introduction of any other party acts as nothing but a drain off one of the two major parties. Unfortunately you have run as a Democrat or a Republican to have a serious chance of being elected to congress, and if you want to be a serious presidential candidate, you have to be from one of those two parties. In the United States everything is binary (left/right, conservative/liberal, right/wrong, black/white, etc.) and that is the way the electorate likes it. Get used to that concept because it ain't changing any time soon.
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Do Lincoln Project ads actually run anywhere besides Twitter? I can't imagine there are a lot of 2 minute TV spots on the air. Are they youtube ads?
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Do Lincoln Project ads actually run anywhere besides Twitter? I can't imagine there are a lot of 2 minute TV spots on the air. Are they youtube ads?
They run on fox

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This all makes sense, and I could certainly see him not seeking re-election, but don't count out the desire to win and the perceived impact of being an incumbent president. Trump is the exception to every political rule, but one such rule is that if you're running against an incumbent, you're running uphill. So if things are actually looking okay - i.e. his approval rating is solid - I would expect him to seek a second term. Not written in stone, but if I were to bet on one outcome or the other, that's what I'd bet on.
I just want t say I was being very literal, I don't think anyone is counting on Biden to last until the next election, and I would assume that what ever longterm plans anyone has about Biden presidency, the possibility of Biden stepping down for health reasons is up there on the list of potential scenarios.

It's possible that Biden could run for a second term, but just looking at him, I'd put the odds at below 50/50 at this point.

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This, I don't agree with. I'm sure there will be a nomination process like this one but if you've been the VP, unless the administration you were in is deeply unpopular, you're the presumptive nominee next time around if you want to run. Harris clearly wants it. So, again, unless something goes very wrong for the Democrats, she's almost certainly their next presidential candidate, whether it's in 4 years or 8.
Let's be honest here, Harris was chosen because she was the best choice among women of color, and the Dems needed someone who ticked those two boxes. That has almost nothing to do with her actual support within the party. The days when the VP had a good shot of becoming the candidate were when it was just all white guys.

I just don't see Harris becoming anywhere nearly popular enough to be worth the risk of backing her against any white man the Republicans would put up against her. She's no Obama, and she's not even Hillary, who at least had big, vocal and influential support group within the party.
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Unless she is the current president, ie Biden leaving in 2 years
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Won't this just be a kick in the pants - President Donald Trump, Nobel laureate - Link
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I think it would mildly amusing if an 82 year old Biden sought reelection and they had an 86 year old president at the nuclear controls and leading the charge to solve complex scientific issues the globe faces.

They already have the White House, may as well adopt some white robes and really emulate the Popes.
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He belongs in the same group of past nominees such as, Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin.
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I just want t say I was being very literal, I don't think anyone is counting on Biden to last until the next election, and I would assume that what ever longterm plans anyone has about Biden presidency, the possibility of Biden stepping down for health reasons is up there on the list of potential scenarios.

It's possible that Biden could run for a second term, but just looking at him, I'd put the odds at below 50/50 at this point.
From what I can tell, the average life expectancy of a man who is already 78 is + 9.43 years.

https://www.annuityadvantage.com/res...ctancy-tables/

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I don’t know how much credit he should be given for the Israel-UAE deal but even a little bit would be more that Obama did, though maybe not award-worthy. I toured the Nobel museum in Oslo - a dark room full of iPads, each telling the story of one winner. There were some amazing stories but Obama really stood out as a lightweight win.
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Just wanna say you did a great job summarizing polls and adding just a bit of your opinions with each summary as well in 2016, so I'm glad you're doing the same this year.
And in 2012, and in 2008, and in 2004.

I just realized I've been going back and forth with IFF longer than I thought.

This place is old.
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Not surprised that this doesn't get mentioned here, but hey.

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ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE (Reuters) - President Donald Trump will announce a further drawdown of U.S. troops from Iraq on Wednesday, a senior administration official told reporters on Tuesday.

That announcement will be followed by another one in the coming days on a further reduction in U.S. forces in Afghanistan, the official said.

The decision comes as Trump, a Republican, faces blowback from a report that he allegedly made disparaging remarks about U.S. war dead.
https://www.theguardian.pe.ca/news/w...nesday-494564/

Regardless of where you fall politically, getting the US out of the endless war might not be the top priority for the media, but it is important.

Forgot to mention that this is clearly timed for the election as well.

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Not surprised that this doesn't get mentioned here, but hey.



https://www.theguardian.pe.ca/news/w...nesday-494564/

Regardless of where you fall politically, getting the US out of the endless war might not be the top priority for the media, but it is important.

Forgot to mention that this is clearly timed for the election as well.
It's important if it's done properly and doesn't leave allies to get slaughtered. And if it doesn't just cede the territory to Putin.

I'm sure Trump is being super careful about that though, and there is nothing to worry about.
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