Should/Will the Flames keep Ward

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Who are the flames peer group at the bottom of the list in terms of lack of draft picks when you did your analysis?



I don't know if you posted about it as I can't seem to find it.

If this kind of stuff actually interests you ( I suspect it does not, since all of your posts are clearly intended to do nothing more than perpetuate your pet-narrative about the Flames as the worst NHL team of all time), then go do the research yourself. I am not sure why you think others here are so eager to skip down your rabbit trails and to the work for you.

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[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

So exactly what the Flames are trying to do.

The Sharks didn't regularly move guys just because they got older, they re-signed guys over and over again. They didn't move their top guys that were labeled as playoff chokers, they were all re-signed until they couldn't afford them any more. Much like Detroit did in their heyday.

The Sharks also got extremely lucky in the Thornton and Burns trades.

What they have done is EXTREMELY difficult.

The Flames got lucky in the Kiprusoff trade, what's your point? It is not like those players were only shopped to the Sharks. The Sharks were constantly able to draft/develop a stream of cheap young players to step up and fill in.
Maybe the Flames are trying to do what the Sharks did. They are just terrible at it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I'm pretty sure they just barely squeaked into the playoffs this year.
Couldn't have been much closer.

Well with covid who knows...they were trending towards a solid divisional playoff spot in a down year...I mean they played over .600 hockey after november

Now please don't put words in my mouth and say I want the exact team back

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Exhibit #1 for why the draft lottery system should have more even odds across all teams.

The mandate for all teams "should" be to make the playoffs every year at a bare minimum. It's a flaw in the drafting rules that makes it so this isn't always the low-bar for every team.

I get why it was like that before the salary cap and when teams held a player's rights into their 30s, but those days are over. Parity was achieved and a heavily weighted draft lottery is now counter to parity. The difference between a a playoff team and non-playoff team is not what it used to be and rewarding non-playoff teams is overkill.

The league has made changes in the right direction regarding this, but it still needs tweaking.

This 1000% percent...a fan should never have to want their team to lose/get worse

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

If this kind of stuff actually interests you ( I suspect it does not, since all of your posts are clearly intended to do nothing more than perpetuate your pet-narrative about the Flames as the worst NHL team of all time), then go do the research yourself. I am not sure why you think others here are so eager to skip down your rabbit trails and to the work for you.

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Because he's literally got the information at his fingertips and was very eager to share it a couple of days ago. When I asked him to share further context of his findings before, he was again very eager to share.

Now, the pettiness and reticence in the response tells me the answer to my question does not reflect well on the Flames.

Obviously he put in some work to compile the draft record of the entire league over the last 5 years, you'd think he'd want to share more of that work...

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

This 1000% percent...a fan should never have to want their team to lose/get worse

Yep, and a team shouldn't be purposely hobbled because they are well managed and successful, or at least striving to be the best they can.

The punishment for making the playoffs as often as possible shouldn't be to give your competition that failed a better chance to push you aside.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Because he's literally got the information at his fingertips and was very eager to share it a couple of days ago. When I asked him to share further context of his findings before, he was again very eager to share.

Now, the pettiness and reticence in the response tells me the answer to my question does not reflect well on the Flames.

Obviously he put in some work to compile the draft record of the entire league over the last 5 years, you'd think he'd want to share more of that work...

You're sounding pretty lazy and maybe inconsiderate. The fact that Bingo has been willing to put in the extra work for you reflects more on you. How many site owners are willing to put in the extra time plus add to the discussion. Even knowing all that he has been through and all the work he puts in; Yet here you are gloating about it. No need to go there; Come on FW.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Back on topic, what's the rush? We don't even know when the next season will be

According to the MOU for the return to play, once the Cup is awarded, things are scheduled to move really quickly prior to a December 1 start to the 2020-21 season.

Free agency will open 7 days after the Cup is awarded and the Draft is going to take place in between those 2 dates. In the MOU, if the Cup is awarded on October 2, the Draft will be October 6 with free agency opening on October 9.

Arbitration hearings will take place about 10 days after the draft and last potentially 3 weeks. About a week after the last arbitration hearings, training camps will start in mid-November.


Generally speaking, you want to have your coaching staff in place prior to the draft and the opening of free agency, so that needs to all get done in the next couple of weeks.



Obviously, those timelines could change, and presumably, the league is working though all the possible scenarios, but that's the last official plan.

[chummer]

Originally Posted by getbak

According to the MOU for the return to play, once the Cup is awarded, things are scheduled to move really quickly prior to a December 1 start to the 2020-21 season.

Yikes that seems ambitious. A recent article by Greg Wyshynski wasn't so optimistic.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/...ed-officiating

"One NHL executive told ESPN he anticipated a season of around 60 to 65 games, beginning in mid-to-late January."

[getbak]

Yeah, I'd be surprised if it happens, but that is what's written in the MOU. Until the league gives the teams a different directive, that's what they have to be working towards.

[dino7c]

Where are they even gonna play? Border won't even be open...I highly doubt they are playing anytime soon

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Where are they even gonna play? Border won't even be open...I highly doubt they are playing anytime soon

I think I heard something about 4 bubbles a little while back, but I don't recall the source or how reliable it is

[Strange Brew]

I think it’s all about the corridor now. Bubble is so yesterday.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I think I heard something about 4 bubbles a little while back, but I don't recall the source or how reliable it is

I can't see the players going into bubbles in a few months and staying for 60+ games plus playoffs

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I can't see the players going into bubbles in a few months and staying for 60+ games plus playoffs

Yeah, I think the December goal was based on the best case scenario for a vaccine being administered on a mass scale back when the MOU was discussed. At this point, I don't see that goal being met.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Because he's literally got the information at his fingertips and was very eager to share it a couple of days ago. When I asked him to share further context of his findings before, he was again very eager to share.

Now, the pettiness and reticence in the response tells me the answer to my question does not reflect well on the Flames.

Obviously he put in some work to compile the draft record of the entire league over the last 5 years, you'd think he'd want to share more of that work...

That's just silly.

I put up regular season points over the last five years showing they're a bubble team which is what I said.

I wasn't talking about draft picks as well.

The fact that I didn't just drop everything and redo an ad hoc look at the last five years of drafting under your order doesn't mean I or anyone else is hiding anything.

Why do you need everyone to agree with you that this is the worst franchise of all time? I'm literally saying all the same things. They moved too many picks, they are a middling team, they need to shake up the core.

I'm not the rainbows and puppy dog tails guy.

I'm also not the baby with the bath water guy.

[bax]

I think a lot of fans fail to realize how small the margins are between losing and winning in the NHL.

Did anyone expect the Blues to win it last year? Did anyone expect the Stars to be where they are at? The Islanders?

Heck, Vancouver was outplayed routinely basically all playoffs and still made it to game 7 of round 2.

It takes a lot to win the the playoffs. You have to be good, but you also have to have a few bounces go your way. At least the Flames showed me they could compete this year. The Dallas series felt very different than the Colorado one. I never saw anybody give up.

No idea if Ward is the right guy, but I didn’t hate the way the team responded to him. If they do hire him it won’t be a sky is falling moment from me.

If they keep building, add a couple of pieces I’ll still be excited to see what they can do.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

So exactly what the Flames are trying to do.

The Sharks didn't regularly move guys just because they got older, they re-signed guys over and over again. They didn't move their top guys that were labeled as playoff chokers, they were all re-signed until they couldn't afford them any more. Much like Detroit did in their heyday.

The Sharks also got extremely lucky in the Thornton and Burns trades.

What they have done is EXTREMELY difficult.

The Sharks also have one of the more desirable landing spots in lifestyle for veteran players with families.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I can't see the players going into bubbles in a few months and staying for 60+ games plus playoffs

I can’t see the league starting without full gate revenue.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I can’t see the league starting without full gate revenue.

If the options are no money and some money, making some money is probably better.