2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's astounding how bad Arizona's cap situation is. They have $1.1M in space, with 6 players to add. So they need to shed about $5M, just to be able to add six $1M players.

Even if they GAVE OEL away for nothing, they would still need to move out salary before they could add Hall.

I think Friedman may be right, Kuemper is probably pluckable.

they also suck and have no draft picks

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by dino7c

they also suck and have no draft picks

And yet their former GM made everyone believe he's a genius. They should have fired him earlier so he could go manage his Wendy's franchises.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's astounding how bad Arizona's cap situation is. They have $1.1M in space, with 6 players to add. So they need to shed about $5M, just to be able to add six $1M players.

Even if they GAVE OEL away for nothing, they would still need to move out salary before they could add Hall.

I think Friedman may be right, Kuemper is probably pluckable.

This is the one reason why the OEL trade could make sense. If Arizona paid a lot to move OEL to us, it could potentially be worth it. For example, CGY sends them a 2nd round draft pick in 2020, and we get Barrett Hayton (ARI may not be as attached with Chayka gone) and OEL. This would only work if we had a separate deal to trade Giordano for picks/prospects.

What do ppl think of that? Am I an idiot?

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Nelson

This is the one reason why the OEL trade could make sense. If Arizona paid a lot to move OEL to us, it could potentially be worth it. For example, CGY sends them a 2nd round draft pick in 2020, and we get Barrett Hayton (ARI may not be as attached with Chayka gone) and OEL. This would only work if we had a separate deal to trade Giordano for picks/prospects.

What do ppl think of that? Am I an idiot?

Yes. OEL is no good at that dollar.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Nelson

This is the one reason why the OEL trade could make sense. If Arizona paid a lot to move OEL to us, it could potentially be worth it. For example, CGY sends them a 2nd round draft pick in 2020, and we get Barrett Hayton (ARI may not be as attached with Chayka gone) and OEL. This would only work if we had a separate deal to trade Giordano for picks/prospects.

What do ppl think of that? Am I an idiot?

We have $15m to sign/add 10 players. If we add OEL and his $8.25M, we have less than $7M to add 9 players.

So then we're in fire sale mode. In other words, we'd be taking Arizona's problem off their hands and making it our own.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

We have $15m to sign/add 10 players. If we add OEL and his $8.25M, we have less than $7M to add 9 players.

So then we're in fire sale mode. In other words, we'd be taking Arizona's problem off their hands and making it our own.

Yes. Do you think trading Gio for picks/prospects is a possibility as I suggested? Or do you think we’d have to pay to offload that contract?

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Yes. Do you think trading Gio for picks/prospects is a possibility as I suggested? Or do you think we’d have to pay to offload that contract?

I only think it’s possible if a team like Colorado wants him.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

At 28, this next year is a make or break year for the affable fella. I love cheering for Ritter because he’s as quirky a goalie as you’ll find, but he needs to hammer out his conditioning/health issues/mental stuff that sees his game fall apart after he hits about 30 games played.

I do think this organizationally has fatally screwed up in how they’ve handled him though. Rittich should have been the guy last season in the playoffs, and should have been the guy this season in the playoffs.

If you believe in a player, you take some lumps as you go. Instead? They cast him to the background in favour of “post-apex” goalies who let you down in the end anyways - and both were likely gone after the playoffs anyways.

That’s what you get with multiple coaches and a GM with no plan.

I knew Talbot might have given us the best chance to win but if you are trying to grow Rittich you have to give him the opportunities to.

When do we start growing and developing at all positions properly. A 5 year plan should stay a five year plan even if we hit success or failure early or late.

A normal business model building should not deviate because of anomalies or luck.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Nelson

This is the one reason why the OEL trade could make sense. If Arizona paid a lot to move OEL to us, it could potentially be worth it. For example, CGY sends them a 2nd round draft pick in 2020, and we get Barrett Hayton (ARI may not be as attached with Chayka gone) and OEL. This would only work if we had a separate deal to trade Giordano for picks/prospects.

What do ppl think of that? Am I an idiot?

Are you suggesting OEL and Hayton for a 2nd round pick?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Yes. Do you think trading Gio for picks/prospects is a possibility as I suggested? Or do you think we’d have to pay to offload that contract?

The cap isn't going up, so all teams are under more pressure this year than in past years. HAVING to move a 37 year old who makes $6.75M, without taking salary back, would be a major problem and the Flames would be under the gun

It wouldn't go well.

Why take Arizona's problem and make it ours? OEL is not worth close to $8.25M

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Nelson

This is the one reason why the OEL trade could make sense. If Arizona paid a lot to move OEL to us, it could potentially be worth it. For example, CGY sends them a 2nd round draft pick in 2020, and we get Barrett Hayton (ARI may not be as attached with Chayka gone) and OEL. This would only work if we had a separate deal to trade Giordano for picks/prospects.

What do ppl think of that? Am I an idiot?

LOL.

I know OEL doesn't have the best contract, but in what world would the Coyotes even consider that?

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Are you suggesting OEL and Hayton for a 2nd round pick?

Yes. I’m imagining Arizona would do that for the cap space because of how little they have. An accompanying Gio trade would have to happen, which may be impossible. It’s probably a bad idea. I was just brainstorming.

[N-E-B]

The Coyotes could get a lot more than a 2nd round pick for OEL, and a cap-strapped team is not throwing in Barrett Hayton on an ELC on top of that.

That is absurd.

[Nelson]

Okay, I was thinking 8.25M worth of cap space and a 2nd might be valuable enough. I think it’s obvious my idea sucked.

Sorry everyone.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Okay, I was thinking 8.25M worth of cap space and a 2nd might be valuable enough. I think it’s obvious my idea sucked.

Sorry everyone.

It's all good.

You're right that they are between a rock and a hard place. The only question is what will moving OEL look like (because he is the most likely candidate to get moved)

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Okay, I was thinking 8.25M worth of cap space and a 2nd might be valuable enough. I think it’s obvious my idea sucked.

Sorry everyone.

You're good, we're all hear to chat.

I think someone mentioned earlier in this thread that we may just be in the OEL talks just to drive up the price. That is definitely something I see Treliving doing.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's all good.

You're right that they are between a rock and a hard place. The only question is what will moving OEL look like (because he is the most likely candidate to get moved)

Yeah. If I’m a GM, I’m not taking OEL’s contract unless the Coyotes pay a lot. The Coyotes don’t have high draft picks until 2022. Hayton is really the one asset I zeroed in on when I looked at Cap Friendly.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Yes. I’m imagining Arizona would do that for the cap space because of how little they have. An accompanying Gio trade would have to happen, which may be impossible. It’s probably a bad idea. I was just brainstorming.

Surely another team would pay more for those two.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Okay, I was thinking 8.25M worth of cap space and a 2nd might be valuable enough. I think it’s obvious my idea sucked.

Sorry everyone.

I suggested Mangiapane for Josh Anderson a few days ago to stir up conversation. Generally the consensus was ‘no way’.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's astounding how bad Arizona's cap situation is. They have $1.1M in space, with 6 players to add. So they need to shed about $5M, just to be able to add six $1M players.

Even if they GAVE OEL away for nothing, they would still need to move out salary before they could add Hall.

I think Friedman may be right, Kuemper is probably pluckable.

They also have Hossa on LTIR making 5.275m, so they essentially have just shy of 6.4m