2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Cam Ward wasn't established when he won the Cup either

I've pointed this trend out a few times and everyone just seems to brush it off and then continue to dream about signing a "big name" goalie.

Last 8 Cup Champs going back to 9 when Boston won.

St Lou: Binnington
Wash: Holtby
Pitts: Murray
Pitts: Murray and Fluery
Chi: Crawford
LA: Quick
Chi: Crawford
LA: Quick

ALL goalies entirely drafted and developed in the winning teams own system. 8 in a row. No "traded for" goalies in the winning column.

Thomas won in goal for Boston in 2011 and he was not a Boston developed player.

It appears just "buying a big name" goalie hasn't worked out for anyone at all last 8 seasons.

Many teams prior to Boston in 2011 developed their own winning goalies as well.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

I've pointed this trend out a few times and everyone just seems to brush it off and then continue to dream about signing a "big name" goalie.

Last 8 Cup Champs going back to 9 when Boston won.

St Lou: Binnington
Wash: Holtby
Pitts: Murray
Pitts: Murray and Fluery
Chi: Crawford
LA: Quick
Chi: Crawford
LA: Quick

ALL goalies entirely drafted and developed in the winning teams own system. 8 in a row. No "traded for" goalies in the winning column.

Thomas won in goal for Boston in 2011 and he was not a Boston developed player.

It appears just "buying a big name" goalie hasn't worked out for anyone at all last 8 seasons.

Many teams prior to Boston in 2011 developed their own winning goalies as well.

Thank you for posting this. I have a hard time with how some people see things.

No one is a cup winner until they are. Ryan OReilly might be the most prominent type of player to highlight this. 3 years ago failed but decent center. now some people see him as a top ten center which he isnt.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

I've pointed this trend out a few times and everyone just seems to brush it off and then continue to dream about signing a "big name" goalie.

Last 8 Cup Champs going back to 9 when Boston won.

St Lou: Binnington
Wash: Holtby
Pitts: Murray
Pitts: Murray and Fluery
Chi: Crawford
LA: Quick
Chi: Crawford
LA: Quick

ALL goalies entirely drafted and developed in the winning teams own system. 8 in a row. No "traded for" goalies in the winning column.

Thomas won in goal for Boston in 2011 and he was not a Boston developed player.

It appears just "buying a big name" goalie hasn't worked out for anyone at all last 8 seasons.

Many teams prior to Boston in 2011 developed their own winning goalies as well.

That's a valid point for sure but to play devils advocate winning goalies don't usually become available via trade. Usually they become available when they reach free agency and are passed their prime. I cannot remember the last time a big name goalie was traded? Ben Bishop? I think this is why you'll be hard pressed to find a Stanley cup winning team that hasn't developed there own goalie. In a perfect world Calgary swings a trade for Hellebuyck, or Hart but that's not going to happen.

In my opinion Murray is high risk, high reward and depending on the ask Calgary should be all over this trade.

[868904]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And what goals are let in. Smith’s and often Hiller’s softies were just killer goals. I liked Talbot this year but he picked a bad game to be mediocre and Rittich picked the same game to suck badly.

Or maybe the Flames should have played better in the 5 games that Talbot played great in.

The players left Talbot with zero margin for error. He was due for a bad game, even Markstrom had a few bad games during these playoffs. Lehner has had a few bad ones. Demko would have had some if he played more. No goalie can run the table of a Stanley Cup playoff and not have a few bad games.

Flames got bad goaltending in a game 6, no disputing that, but Goaltending was not the problem with this team this year, it was a strength. The weakness of this team is as follows:

1) only average coaching;
2) only average centremen;
3) lacking in quality top 6 forwards with size.
4) lacking in a game breaking defensemen.

They can fix number 1 right now. 2 is probably the hardest thing for them to fix. Adding Hall would address 3. As for 4, maybe giving the kids on the back end a little more freedom and confidence would help, Kylington has game breaking and offensive ability but the kid never saw any power play time, they tried to turn him into a pk guy for crying out loud, square peg round hole coaching right there. Then they went out and spent draft picks on a UFA who makes just as many turnovers as Kylington. Maybe if they tried Kylington out on the PP and played him to his strengths and let him develop some confidence, they wouldn’t have had to spend assets to acquire another version of him.

[Philly06Cup]

Reminder to everyone in this thread. Philly is not giving up Couturier for Gaudreau. Thank you.

[TheScorpion]

Was Thomas not developed at least partially by Boston? I know he was drafted by Quebec but he broke into the NHL with the Bruins.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Reminder to everyone in this thread. Philly is not giving up Couturier for Gaudreau. Thank you.

What is a reasonable return for Gaudreau from a Flyers’ perspective?

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

I've pointed this trend out a few times and everyone just seems to brush it off and then continue to dream about signing a "big name" goalie.

Last 8 Cup Champs going back to 9 when Boston won.

St Lou: Binnington
Wash: Holtby
Pitts: Murray
Pitts: Murray and Fluery
Chi: Crawford
LA: Quick
Chi: Crawford
LA: Quick

ALL goalies entirely drafted and developed in the winning teams own system. 8 in a row. No "traded for" goalies in the winning column.

Thomas won in goal for Boston in 2011 and he was not a Boston developed player.

It appears just "buying a big name" goalie hasn't worked out for anyone at all last 8 seasons.

Many teams prior to Boston in 2011 developed their own winning goalies as well.

This is depressing. I don’t think any of the Flames-drafted-and-developed goalies are close to making an impact at the NHL level. Rittich seems to be good for about 40 games a season. I really wish we knew how he’d perform in the playoffs given a good opportunity (not being put in for 1 period of an elimination game after not having played strong competition for months). But this is definitely a strong point against what I’m saying about acquiring a goalie in FA or by trade.

I don’t feel bad about a tandem like Rittich-Talbot or Rittich-Greiss if it’s inexpensive like last year.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Nelson

This is depressing. I don’t think any of the Flames-drafted-and-developed goalies are close to making an impact at the NHL level. Rittich seems to be good for about 40 games a season. I really wish we knew how he’d perform in the playoffs given a good opportunity (not being put in for 1 period of an elimination game after not having played strong competition for months). But this is definitely a strong point against what I’m saying about acquiring a goalie in FA or by trade.

At the end of the day the Flames have drafted some promising goalies. Some big misses as well, but that's every team. I do wonder if the development of our prospects has gotten better along with the scouting department. Seems obvious you need both to produce a solid stream of team grown talent.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Nelson

This is depressing. I don’t think any of the Flames-drafted-and-developed goalies are close to making an impact at the NHL level. Rittich seems to be good for about 40 games a season. I really wish we knew how he’d perform in the playoffs given a good opportunity (not being put in for 1 period of an elimination game after not having played strong competition for months). But this is definitely a strong point against what I’m saying about acquiring a goalie in FA or by trade.

I still think Rittich has a lot of untapped potential. At the same age Jacob Markstrom was a 0.500 goalie starting 25–35 games and registering a SP of around 0.912.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I still think Rittich has a lot of untapped potential. At the same age Jacob Markstrom was a 0.500 goalie starting 25–35 games and registering a SP of around 0.912.

Yeah, I don’t want to give up on Rittich either. I’ve seen flashes of good in him, in fact, stole us quite a few games this season.

Just find another cheap goalie to play with him like Georgiev or Korpisalo.

[bubbsy]

Flames have shown Rittich how much faith they have in him for 2 years now.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Flames have shown Rittich how much faith they have in him for 2 years now.

Any less than the Canucls showed Markstrom three years ago? I don't see what this had to do with Rittich's potential moving forward.

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[dissentowner]

As a London Knights follower I still have high hopes for Parsons. He hit a rough skid of injury and depression but the talent and skill is definitely there, I expect we start seeing him break out in the AHL...if there is an AHL.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Any less than the Canucls showed Markstrom three years ago? I don't see what this had to do with Rittich's potential moving forward.

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At 28, this next year is a make or break year for the affable fella. I love cheering for Ritter because he’s as quirky a goalie as you’ll find, but he needs to hammer out his conditioning/health issues/mental stuff that sees his game fall apart after he hits about 30 games played.

I do think this organizationally has fatally screwed up in how they’ve handled him though. Rittich should have been the guy last season in the playoffs, and should have been the guy this season in the playoffs.

If you believe in a player, you take some lumps as you go. Instead? They cast him to the background in favour of “post-apex” goalies who let you down in the end anyways - and both were likely gone after the playoffs anyways.

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Yeah, I don’t want to give up on Rittich either. I’ve seen flashes of good in him, in fact, stole us quite a few games this season.

Just find another cheap goalie to play with him like Georgiev or Korpisalo.

Lets hope Rittich is the anointed one but Gillies aside we had some good goal tending prospects lately. Parsons is far from being a MacDonald yet and didn't Zagidulon show flashes? Wolf is 19 and I would think 2-3 years away.

I pointed out out but even I know its not THE only path.

Stop and think about it....if Tampa Bay wins and they've certainly got a shot, Vasilvesky was a Tampa Bay 1st round pick in 2012. The other 3 teams all have goalies who started on other teams.

[TheScorpion]

Cheered so loud for the Flames this year that I've got a sore throat. The only cure is a Hall.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Reminder to everyone in this thread. Philly is not giving up Couturier for Gaudreau. Thank you.

In that case, I hope you lose tonight

[Enoch Root]

It's astounding how bad Arizona's cap situation is. They have $1.1M in space, with 6 players to add. So they need to shed about $5M, just to be able to add six $1M players.

Even if they GAVE OEL away for nothing, they would still need to move out salary before they could add Hall.

I think Friedman may be right, Kuemper is probably pluckable.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Any less than the Canucls showed Markstrom three years ago? I don't see what this had to do with Rittich's potential moving forward.

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It's not a comment on anything other than an observation on where Rittich stands with the organization. 2 seasons in a row where Rittich not only loses the net but is not provided an opportunity to try to win it back. Each year, they have given complete faith to the older, soon to be Ufa vet, in the name of 'experience' while not giving the signed Rittich a chance to gain any.

My guess is the flames make moves that officially move him firmly to the backup role, or move him altogether.