09-01-2020, 08:58 AM
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#4141
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Just had a terrific chat with a very intelligent Flyers fan in my Twitter DMs. Here's the view from the other side:
- Konecny is very unlikely to move
- Sanheim and Myers are very unlikely to move
- Farabee is seen as far less valuable than Morgan Frost
- Cam York and Egor Zamula could move.
- Frost could move.
- Multiple firsts could move.
The deal that he proposed to me was:
2 1sts
Cam York
Morgan Frost
Scott Laughton
Wade Allison
Which I don't hate. I'd still probably prefer a deal around Konecny.
I'd also love to see Nic Aube-Kubel included in there. Alberta guy, RHS RW, can play up and down the lineup. Skilled, fast, thick, and gritty.
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If you can get that deal you take it and run. York and Frost are great pieces going forward, than then you get two 1st round picks? On top of that you get a solid center in Laughton that allows you do move Ryan for a pick and save enough money for an extra league min player. Allison is a decent project and it would be nice to have a RS RW with size in the system. I just can't see this getting done. The Flyers are really high on Frost, and for good reason. That's an awful lot of give to the Flames. Hey, if the Flyers lose today, maybe its a possibility. Go Isles!!!
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09-01-2020, 09:00 AM
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#4142
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Franchise Player
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Yeah I do that deal too. I helps accomplish the goal of re-stocking the asset base of the franchise.
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09-01-2020, 09:02 AM
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#4143
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Yup I'd do it too. Since enough of us think that, Flames would have to add, or it'd have to be less from Philly
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09-01-2020, 09:05 AM
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#4144
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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It also hardly adds any cap. So the Flames could sign someone pretty good.
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09-01-2020, 09:16 AM
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#4145
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
An interesting thing about Farabee, although not really important, but he is part of the Lindros/Forsberg trade tree. That trade is like the Energizer Bunny.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
It helps when you roll over assets instead of letting them expire into nothing.
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23 yo LHD Andrew Nielsen is the last piece remaining from the Nilsson-Nieuwendyk-Iginla legacy. His ELC expires this year...not sure if he gets another NHL deal, or AHL only? Maybe we could include his rights to move up a few spots in the 7th round and keep the dream alive.
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09-01-2020, 09:23 AM
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#4147
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Toonage
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Surprised Dougie is on there..
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09-01-2020, 09:25 AM
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#4148
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by powderjunkie
23 yo LHD Andrew Nielsen is the last piece remaining from the Nilsson-Nieuwendyk-Iginla legacy. His ELC expires this year...not sure if he gets another NHL deal, or AHL only? Maybe we could include his rights to move up a few spots in the 7th round and keep the dream alive.
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From Nilsson to Nielsen...amazing while it lasted...
Unfortunate that Morgan Klimchuk couldn't have kept it going...
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09-01-2020, 09:29 AM
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#4149
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanCharles
Surprised Dougie is on there..
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He lives on that list for some reason.
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09-01-2020, 09:35 AM
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#4150
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
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No Flames on his list.
I wonder if he has any inside info or just his gut feeling on what Treliving is planning.
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09-01-2020, 09:36 AM
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#4151
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
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Doesn't seem off to me at all.
Makes 7 mil for 3 more without trade restrictions.
Any deal with Philly from Calgary is likely to have him included.
We've had a hard cap in this league for 15 years and trade proposals that don't take that into account as the very first criteria are worthless.
Philly needs to move that contract to round out their roster.
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09-01-2020, 09:37 AM
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#4152
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
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I can see the Flames being in on Andersen.
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09-01-2020, 09:50 AM
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#4153
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
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Surprised Johnny isn't on this list as I think he's much more likely to be moved than some other players on the list. Good luck moving JVR as that was a terrible contract the moment ink was put to it.
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09-01-2020, 09:54 AM
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#4154
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
Doesn't seem off to me at all.
Makes 7 mil for 3 more without trade restrictions.
Any deal with Philly from Calgary is likely to have him included.
We've had a hard cap in this league for 15 years and trade proposals that don't take that into account as the very first criteria are worthless.
Philly needs to move that contract to round out their roster.
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You always try to take this "edgy" view that trade proposals are out to lunch.
JVR's contract is a huge anchor. If it's being included in a trade for one of the players who is significantly overperforming his contract in the league (Johnny) then they are going to need to add a mountain.
JVR+Myers+Frost+Patrick+ two 1sts
That's the type of overpay required to get Johnny AND dump that horrendous contract.
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09-01-2020, 10:06 AM
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#4155
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
You always try to take this "edgy" view that trade proposals are out to lunch.
JVR's contract is a huge anchor. If it's being included in a trade for one of the players who is significantly overperforming his contract in the league (Johnny) then they are going to need to add a mountain.
JVR+Myers+Frost+Patrick+ two 1sts
That's the type of overpay required to get Johnny AND dump that horrendous contract.
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Well, no, I'm not trying to be edgy, but making the cap work is literally the very first requirement to making a trade, so any proposal that doesn't establish that isn't worth anything.
Yes, to move that contract might take considerable assets, exactly the type of scenario the flames should be looking at if trading gaudreau is the catalyst for rebuilding the organization, which it should be.
If the flames move gaudreau to Philly without taking at least 5 million back in salary, I'll eat my hat.
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09-01-2020, 10:09 AM
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#4156
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
Philly needs to move that contract to round out their roster.
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That is great and all from the Flyer's viewpoint but they would have to dump JVR off on a team and pay them to do it.
I would only do it from the Flame's perspective if Lucic was included in a trade.
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09-01-2020, 10:50 AM
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#4157
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
Well, no, I'm not trying to be edgy, but making the cap work is literally the very first requirement to making a trade, so any proposal that doesn't establish that isn't worth anything.
Yes, to move that contract might take considerable assets, exactly the type of scenario the flames should be looking at if trading gaudreau is the catalyst for rebuilding the organization, which it should be.
If the flames move gaudreau to Philly without taking at least 5 million back in salary, I'll eat my hat.
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What picks and assets are worth taking on $7M in brutal money?
Trading Gaudreau and taking back bad money just handcuffs the organization more. What you are suggesting is tearing the team down to the studs if you are willing to take back boat anchors in return for our stars. Will this squeeze and extra 1st or 2nd for a team that looks poised to be drafting in the 20’s for the next 2-3 years?
This team may trade Johnny for a futures based package but they won’t take on 3 years of overpaid bad money. Frost, Farabee, and the 25th pick are not worth taking on 3 more years of JVR at $7M.
Imagine having Lucic and JVR taking up over $12M of your cap in a flat cap world?
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09-01-2020, 10:58 AM
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#4158
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
You always try to take this "edgy" view that trade proposals are out to lunch.
JVR's contract is a huge anchor. If it's being included in a trade for one of the players who is significantly overperforming his contract in the league (Johnny) then they are going to need to add a mountain.
JVR+Myers+Frost+Patrick+ two 1sts
That's the type of overpay required to get Johnny AND dump that horrendous contract.
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You just out edged his edginess. Myers, Frost, Patrick, and two 1sts just for the Flames to eat JVR's contract is a massive overpay by Philadephia. Get used to the idea of the Flames eating some bad contract or the return for Gaudreau is going to take a big hit. I would say that a reasonable return for Gaudreau would be top prospect, a young solid player with upside, and a 1st. Beyond that is an over pay. So I think that something along the lines of Frost, Myers, and a 1st was quite reasonable, but Myers' play in the post season has pushed him into a new level with the Flyers. His inclusion makes the deal that much tougher to believe is possible. So it would have to be something along the lines of Frost, Gostisbehere, and a 1st, with the Flames adding a balancing contract if needed.
Once you add in the salary dump contract then things change. I think that if you include a JVR or a Voracek to dump a salary and balancing out the contracts, then you can make the argument of the inclusion of a more valuable asset. So then Frost, Myers, JVR or Voracek, and a 1st for Gaudreau and a balancing contract seems very reasonable. Patrick and the extra 1st is unlikely and would result in a dial tone in Treliving's ear.
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09-01-2020, 10:59 AM
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#4159
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#1 Goaltender
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If the Flames decided to move Gaudreau, and yes that is still a very large if- there is about a 0% chance they take back a contract as bad as JVR's without massive overpayment.
Philly is free to create cap space by dealing with another team before taking on Gaudreau.
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09-01-2020, 11:03 AM
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#4160
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bax
If the Flames decided to move Gaudreau, and yes that is still a very large if- there is about a 0% chance they take back a contract as bad as JVR's without massive overpayment.
Philly is free to create cap space by dealing with another team before taking on Gaudreau.
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Or the Flames are free to work another deal with the contract they take on and don't want to maintain.
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