Go anywhere in the world where the population is very monochromatic and you'll find far more bigotry than you will in urban metropolises.
Even this isn’t (unfortunately) true colour of skin or population size has been largely irrelevant. Ethnic and religious bigotry and unbridled racism exists in a awful lot of the world that has little to do with skin colour and not just by rural hicks talking over dinner. There are places where minority groups continue to be legally subjected to discrimination, deportation, harassment or murder.
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Resisting arrest should not come with a death sentence.
Running away from police should not come with a death sentence.
Having a warrant for your arrest, being high, forging cheques... none of these things should come with a death sentence, that’s cut and dry.
This is copy/paste from Facebook in response to a similar statement. Full disclosure, this comment is from a policeman, but the points are valid and good perspective.
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"Part of the job of a police officer's job to de-escalate the situation."
Have you ever tried to talk reason into a drunk? Someone high? Someone so emotionally overwhelmed that they literally have no grasp of logic? Sometimes, there is no way to de-escalate. Contrary to what you think, police are sometimes responsible to escalate to resolve a situation. Police rarely have the ability to just walk away from someone and hope they calm down.
This officer would have known from dispatch the type of person he was dealing with beforehand. He was armed with a knife, reportedly was not even supposed to be with his children, reportedly put one of the cops in a headlock, and stated he was going to grab a gun from his vehicle and then made a very swift movement towards the vehicle.
What would you do as a cop in that situation? There are so many things this guy did that lead to what happened.
There is no defending the officer in the George Floyd incident, but this one to me, is different.
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This officer would have known from dispatch the type of person he was dealing with beforehand. He was armed with a knife, reportedly was not even supposed to be with his children, reportedly put one of the cops in a headlock, was armed with a knife, and stated he was going to grab a gun from his vehicle and then made a very swift movement towards the vehicle.
But tell us, was he armed with a knife?
(... I was being sarcastic but I'm pretty sure the answer is no, there was just a knife in his car, and he never touched it.)
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(... I was being sarcastic but I'm pretty sure the answer is no, there was just a knife in his car, and he never touched it.)
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I heard he was, but perhaps the “facts” aren’t out yet. But let’s say he wasn’t just for arguments’ sake. He puts a cop in a headlock, resists arrest, clearly walks away from cops as he’s being told not to, says he’s going to get a gun from his car, then reaches into his car in a very quick movement...
This is copy/paste from Facebook in response to a similar statement. Full disclosure, this comment is from a policeman, but the points are valid and good perspective.
This officer would have known from dispatch the type of person he was dealing with beforehand. He was armed with a knife, reportedly was not even supposed to be with his children, reportedly put one of the cops in a headlock, and stated he was going to grab a gun from his vehicle and then made a very swift movement towards the vehicle.
What would you do as a cop in that situation? There are so many things this guy did that lead to what happened.
There is no defending the officer in the George Floyd incident, but this one to me, is different.
Let's think, he is getting into his car, one leg is wholly in, his arse is half way in, he has three kids in the car, you know from dispatch he has no criminal record at all, you have no reason to think he is some mad dog criminal at all, just some guy in a lousy breakup, and on top of that he cant shoot you from inside the car if you are behind him and he is sitting down, what I would have done is kept the car door open and probably tried to decide whether to shoot the cars tires as he was obviously trying to take off. Just so we are clear Blake had no gun, the dispatch call to the house never mentioned a gun, even before the cops get there Blake is trying to leave, I dont believe for a moment he told the cops he was going to get a gun, he was just trying to escape
At no point would I have assumed he had a gun or was going to shoot me, he was a regular citizen with no criminal record at all.
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Let's think, he is getting into his car, one leg is wholly in, his arse is half way in, he has three kids in the car, you know from dispatch he has no criminal record at all, you have no reason to think he is some mad dog criminal at all, just some guy in a lousy breakup, and on top of that he cant shoot you from inside the car if you are behind him and he is sitting down, what I would have done is kept the car door open and probably tried to decide whether to shoot the cars tires as he was obviously trying to take off. Just so we are clear Blake had no gun, the dispatch call to the house never mentioned a gun, even before the cops get there Blake is trying to leave, I dont believe for a moment he told the cops he was going to get a gun, he was just trying to escape
At no point would I have assumed he had a gun or was going to shoot me, he was a regular citizen with no criminal record at all.
Huh? He had several warrants for his arrest at the time, including domestic violence.
Also, shots were first fired when he reached for the car...not when he had half his “arse” in and a leg.
Huh? He had several warrants for his arrest at the time, including domestic violence.
Also, shots were first fired when he reached for the car...not when he had half his “arse” in and a leg.
Watch the video again, he’s already putting his leg in when he’s shot, he’s not “reaching for the car” at that point.
You’re also wrong on a couple other things, which may or may not be relevant. He didn’t have multiple warrants, he had one warrant. It was related to a single incident.
There are no valid reports, not from the investigators, from Blake’s attorney, or even from the police union (which said some things that are being disputed) about Blake saying he was going to get a gun. Do you not think at very least the police union’s comment would have stated that?
I saw your copy-paste from a cop, and hey, I get it, dealing with certain people is tough. But it is their job, and part of that job is protecting people, even people they don’t like. Do they have to escalate sometimes? Yeah, I bet, and I think everyone is fine with that. All people are asking for is that they stop killing people who do not deserve to die, and stop shooting Black men in the back. How many guys running away, trying to get into the vehicle, or just sitting in their vehicle and getting their ID do the cops need to kill before people understand the problem? If you have to kill someone running away from you, as a cop, you’re #### at your job. Your job is to apprehend, not hand out death sentences and life altering punishments. Use your ####ing brain or go work the fry line and leave the job to someone who can.
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I think one’s perception of the incident impacts perception of the video itself. I see the first shot with him being out of the vehicle, reaching inside. Almost as if the force of the shot pushed him into the vehicle.
The guy that took the video said he overheard the cops yelling “drop the knife, drop the knife” in the scuffle.
Any type of warrants or criminal history related from dispatch would lead to a heightened sense of awareness, or even fear. Then to have that guy not comply and resist arrest and reach into a car where they can’t see? Come on...don’t resist arrest, don’t get shot. I know you’re arguing that resistance shouldn’t mean being shot and there should be a grey area, but that would be the simplest way to avoid that. The other mistakes he made ultimately lead to the officer pulling the trigger.
Huh? He had several warrants for his arrest at the time, including domestic violence.
Also, shots were first fired when he reached for the car...not when he had half his “arse” in and a leg.
he has a warrant for one incident, it was a warrant wholly related to a complaint from the guys ex, he has no other arrests or history of crime or violence, in fact the police dont even have a history of dealing with him as trust me we'd know if they did, he was just an ordinary working stiff just like you or me who'd pissed off his ex, maybe she had good reason to be pissed, all though she had stopped 'cooperating' with the police before the shooting, it was her screaming at the cops after they shot him.
He wasnt reaching into the car, he was getting into the car, after they shot him and paralysed him he was left sitting in the seat, that doesnt happen if he is reaching in, that happens when his arse is already over the seat as they are firing, if he was reaching in he would have fallen outside the car.
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You’re also wrong on a couple other things, which may or may not be relevant. He didn’t have multiple warrants, he had one warrant. It was related to a single incident.
I think one’s perception of the incident impacts perception of the video itself. I see the first shot with him being out of the vehicle, reaching inside. Almost as if the force of the shot pushed him into the vehicle.
The guy that took the video said he overheard the cops yelling “drop the knife, drop the knife” in the scuffle.
Any type of warrants or criminal history related from dispatch would lead to a heightened sense of awareness, or even fear. Then to have that guy not comply and resist arrest and reach into a car where they can’t see? Come on...don’t resist arrest, don’t get shot. I know you’re arguing that resistance shouldn’t mean being shot and there should be a grey area, but that would be the simplest way to avoid that. The other mistakes he made ultimately lead to the officer pulling the trigger.
A round from a hand gun wont push you into a car for two reasons, first the round isnt that forceful second the round is pointed along the car, not pointing inwards, if it did push him it would have been straight ahead into the door, the only way you end up sitting in the seat of a car with your spine severed is because you were actually over the seat as you lost the use of your legs (which is instant)
he has a warrant for one incident, it was a warrant wholly related to a complaint from the guys ex, he has no other arrests or history of crime or violence, in fact the police dont even have a history of dealing with him as trust me we'd know if they did.
The Facebook post offered as proof a Sept. 22, 2015, article from the Racine County Eye website. It described charges being filed, but did not reference a conviction.
Our review of court records shows a confrontation at a Racine County, Wisconsin, bar led to a combative traffic stop and a total of five criminal charges in September 2015, including resisting an officer, disorderly conduct and three gun-related ones.
But those charges were later dismissed on a motion from prosecutors, said Racine County Clerk of Circuit Court Samuel Christensen. The court file said it was dismissed in February 2018 “due to witness issues and age of case.”
So whether past charges (not convictions) get mentioned by dispatch, I don’t know...but one of the reasons for these charges not sticking being “age of case” doesn’t really help to paint him as a character guy.
I didn’t realize you knew this guy so well. I stand corrected.
he has no criminal record, none, I realize he's black and you may find the idea a black guy might just be an ordinary guy difficult to believe, but this guy was ordinary, try to think of him as a white guy with no criminal record and a warrant for one incident sworn by his angry ex who he is going through a bitter seperation with, maybe that helps
A round from a hand gun wont push you into a car for two reasons, first the round isnt that forceful second the round is pointed along the car, not pointing inwards, if it did push him it would have been straight ahead into the door, the only way you end up sitting in the seat of a car with your spine severed is because you were actually over the seat as you lost the use of your legs (which is instant)
And what about natural body reaction to being shot, or dealing with pain? Not necessarily the force itself.
