Will the NHL boycott games? Should it?

[flamingred89]

So on a hockey related note...do the players lose anything with this boycott? Like are they losing any game cheques or things that nature? I know for a lot of people who left work to attend rallys they were required to use a vacation day, or an unpaid day. To me if there's no real expenditure from the players then I do question their motives. And it feels like the only people they're really affecting is the fans, who subsequently pay their paychecks. I would feel a little differently if they were forfeiting game checks that would then be donated to BLM causes or something like that. This just seems like a "hey, we're taking a break. See you on Saturday!" Kinda thing.

[TheScorpion]

Players are paid their salary daily over the course of the regular season, not in the playoffs. They aren't losing any money.

Edit: to clarify. Players typically receive 13 payments between October and April. But their pay is calculated on a daily basis, which particularly impacts players on two-way contracts with different salaries at the NHL and AHL levels. And that daily pay also dictates how they count against the salary cap, which is a cumulative total of all the money paid out to players on NHL contracts on a team.

But yes, nobody is losing money because of this. Players typically receive "playoff bonuses" from the NHL based on what round of the playoffs they reach, but I don't know what those are this year and, either way, those won't be affected unless there are more cancellations.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

I just don’t see what the effect really is. Even with the NBA. The people who are racist already aren’t watching your sport. The only people your disappointing is your fans. I always respect people standing up for things they really believe in. But I just don’t see what the end game or desired effect is here. I can appreciate the NBA players feeling like they just need to do something though but I fail to see any improvements that will come from this.

You stop the cash flow of the rich and powerful they start calling their politician friends they bought cheaply.
If you don't have any one to play in a multi- billion dollar league like the NBA there essentially is no NBA. You don't think all the owners and the heads of the NBA won't be calling people in the government they bought through legalized bribes in the form of donations to get just enough change going to appease their players so business can resume back to normal?

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

So on a hockey related note...do the players lose anything with this boycott? Like are they losing any game cheques or things that nature? I know for a lot of people who left work to attend rallys they were required to use a vacation day, or an unpaid day. To me if there's no real expenditure from the players then I do question their motives. And it feels like the only people they're really affecting is the fans, who subsequently pay their paychecks. I would feel a little differently if they were forfeiting game checks that would then be donated to BLM causes or something like that. This just seems like a "hey, we're taking a break. See you on Saturday!" Kinda thing.

It gets the conversation started, especially around and within a different group of people. That is important.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Players are paid their salary daily over the course of the regular season, not in the playoffs. They aren't losing any money.

Meaning they also aren’t making money, while in a bubble... in Edmonton, without their families. “Hey guys lets just do this so we can sneak a ‘break’ in”

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Another stat I recall hearing is in Toronto blacks are 20x more likely to be killed by police than whites.

Here’s the link for that.

http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/public-inte...mination-black

Cannot find anything though with violent crime rate by race. Which would be a good indication of inequality.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Another stat I recall hearing is in Toronto blacks are 20x more likely to be killed by police than whites.

As a white male born in western Canada in the 70s to middle class parents, I know I won the lottery, simply by being born.
It’s on me to do my best to use that for good.

[Looch City]

Jesus, who knew there were so many deplorable people hanging out on the FOI threads....I'm embarrassed to call myself a Flames fan along side you.

"Keep politics out of sports"? That's so comically ignorant, that I'm not even sure what to say.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

It great to call out racism when/ where it's happening. You however call racism on those who simply disagree with you and those who present facts, evidence and witness accounts that don't fit your emotional reactions. The way you throw "racist" around, the word has lost its power, it's meaning on this board. It's not racist to want the investigation results released before acting. It's not racists to trust in the judicial system, it's not racist to back police departments. It's not racist to condem rioting,looting and arson. It's not racist to expect anyone under arrest to follow police orders. You can call out racists all you want but I do not belive you even truly know what a racist is.

The NHL is protesting the death of another Black man at the hands of the police, another example in the ongoing issue of deep rooted racism both in the police force and in America in general. It is not racist to defend the police. It is not racist to look down on those who have committed crimes. It is not racist to condemn rioting and looting. But, it is racist to reserve the entirely of your outrage and criticism towards a Black man shot in the back seven times, while shrugging off a White killer. The NHL is just one small example of protesting racism, and we can pretend that this racism doesn’t exist if we want, I guess. But eventually, while defending the police who kill Black men again and again, we must recognise we’re defending racism.

I’m a disagreeable person. I’ve disagreed with hundreds of posters on this board I’m sure. I don’t call someone who disagrees with me on a Bennett trade scenario or who best to lead this country, racist. I call racism as it is. As everyone should. And if someone doesn’t want to confront their own racism, they don’t have to. But racism is what it is. My opinion or yours doesn’t change it.

[jayswin]

Man, I'm not really surprised by the level of racism and lack of understanding of cultural issues on CP anymore, seeing as it skews to privileged, high earning white males.

But much like the LGBTQ issues back in the mid 2000's - holy crap is it a bit of a shocking uptick of ridiculous to straight up disgusting commentary between the off topic forum and main hockey forum. It's like you go back 5-10 years when a topic makes it way out here.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Jesus, who knew there were so many deplorable people hanging out on the FOI threads....I'm embarrassed to call myself a Flames fan along side you.

"Keep politics out of sports"? That's so comically ignorant, that I'm not even sure what to say.

I'm glad these highly influential people are using their platform to bring attention to something that matters. Hopefully it gets through to some people, because apparently it's badly needed.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

I just don’t see what the effect really is. Even with the NBA. The people who are racist already aren’t watching your sport. The only people your disappointing is your fans. I always respect people standing up for things they really believe in. But I just don’t see what the end game or desired effect is here. I can appreciate the NBA players feeling like they just need to do something though but I fail to see any improvements that will come from this.

The effect is awareness and education. The world becomes a little better each time someone new starts to understand what we are fighting for and start supporting it.

[Monahammer]

I am pretty disgusted by some of the thread, but also want to say I feel happy that many denizens of the board are sticking up for what's right (i feel the majority) and calling out the racists and deniers in here. Mixed feelings but warm feelings for many of you too.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I am pretty disgusted by some of the thread, but also want to say I feel happy that many denizens of the board are sticking up for what's right (i feel the majority) and calling out the racists and deniers in here. Mixed feelings but warm feelings for many of you too.

I understand the mixed feelings, praising a guy with Pepsi in his name makes me feel dirty.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

The effect is awareness and education. The world becomes a little better each time someone new starts to understand what we are fighting for and start supporting it.

Unfortunately, what I see happening, is that for every person who starts to understand and join the cause, someone else goes in the opposite direction. I have seen family members that have gotten more racist (or at least, are more vocal about their racism on social media) since George Floyd was murdered. Really disappointing to see.


Hopefully my experience isn't the same for everyone and things are getting better though.

[Johnhitbox]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Here’s the link for that.

http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/public-inte...mination-black

Cannot find anything though with violent crime rate by race. Which would be a good indication of inequality.

Regardless of race, most civilians from 2013 to 2017 who were involved in police use of force cases were unarmed (67%) at the time of their encounter with the TPS. Overall, a higher proportion of White people had a weapon in police use of force cases. While a higher proportion of Black people had a gun (8.3% of Black people vs. 3.6% of White people) or a knife (16.7% of Black people vs. 14.7% of White people) in police use of force cases, a higher proportion of White people had a gun (20% of White people vs. 11.1% of Black people) in police shootings.

Although there were more allegations of Black people (41.7%) resisting arrest than White people (25.5%), White people were more likely to have a criminal record (54.5%) and to have allegedly threatened or attacked police (61.8%) than Black people (44.4% – criminal record; 44.4% – threatened or attacked police).

From 2013-2017, according to SIU reports, most civilians (70.4%) were not exhibiting mental health issues at the time of their encounter with the TPS that involved use of force. However, a large proportion of use of force cases involved people exhibiting mental health issues (29.6%).

Dr. Wortley’s analysis suggests that White people are “most often exposed to police use of force when experiencing a mental health crisis.” White people are over-represented in use of force cases where the civilian was exhibiting mental health issues


What exactly is hard to find here?


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[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I understand the mixed feelings, praising a guy with Pepsi in his name makes me feel dirty.

Crown Royal and Pepsi is fantastic.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Johnny you may not be completely wrong with everything but you just sound so ignorant saying it. And the things you’re wrong about, you’re really wrong.

There’s an interesting discussion around the differences in race relations in the USA and Canada. This is not the way to have it.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Jesus, who knew there were so many deplorable people hanging out on the FOI threads....I'm embarrassed to call myself a Flames fan along side you.

"Keep politics out of sports"? That's so comically ignorant, that I'm not even sure what to say.

he's a Post Only Sometimes. kind of guy - if you know what I mean.

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[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The NHL is protesting the death of another Black man at the hands of the police, another example in the ongoing issue of deep rooted racism both in the police force and in America in general. It is not racist to defend the police. It is not racist to look down on those who have committed crimes. It is not racist to condemn rioting and looting. But, it is racist to reserve the entirely of your outrage and criticism towards a Black man shot in the back seven times, while shrugging off a White killer. The NHL is just one small example of protesting racism, and we can pretend that this racism doesn’t exist if we want, I guess. But eventually, while defending the police who kill Black men again and again, we must recognise we’re defending racism.

I’m a disagreeable person. I’ve disagreed with hundreds of posters on this board I’m sure. I don’t call someone who disagrees with me on a Bennett trade scenario or who best to lead this country, racist. I call racism as it is. As everyone should. And if someone doesn’t want to confront their own racism, they don’t have to. But racism is what it is. My opinion or yours doesn’t change it.

There you go with emotion over fact again. Sorry, couldn’t resist.